Okay gentlemen, REAL talk...

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

This has nothing to do with liking Bryce. We need a new backup. We needed one last year. We need to look at a young QB in the draft as well in case 4th year Bryce is the same as 1st 3 years Bryce. Improve the QB room. Don't settle and be complacent. Do what's best for the team as a whole. 

I think all of us want that. Whether that happens is anyone's guess. 

[Basbear]

53 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

https://x.com/kellibartik/status/1995247383870050422?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

[45catfan]

I could care less about the 5th year option, it's all but assured, even before today.  What will piss me off is if we lock him up for his second contract.   Paying Bryce Young $50M a year is freaking ludicrous. 

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

This has nothing to do with liking Bryce. We need a new backup. We needed one last year. We need to look at a young QB in the draft as well in case 4th year Bryce is the same as 1st 3 years Bryce. Improve the QB room. Don't settle and be complacent. Do what's best for the team as a whole. 

Already said I think we get a better backup than Dalton next year.

Whether that guy will be high enough quality to serve as competition for the starting role? Not counting on it. 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

I could care less about the 5th year option, it's all but assured, even before today.  What will piss me off is if we lock him up for his second contract.   Paying Bryce Young $50M a year is freaking ludicrous. 

I'm preparing for them to do just that. I sure as hell hope it works out but my gut tells me its impossible. 

[KillerKat]

We are stuck in purgatory.

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I could care less about the 5th year option, it's all but assured, even before today.  What will piss me off is if we lock him up for his second contract.   Paying Bryce Young $50M a year is freaking ludicrous. 

It is possible he plays well enough to actually earn it.

I don't think that'll happen, but...

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[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

It is possible he plays well enough to actually earn it.

I don't think that'll happen, but...

I do not think it's at all possible for him to play well enough to earn that contract this offseason.

He could play lights out the rest of the season and we win the division and I still don't think he'd have earned it.  That would have earned the 5th year being picked up no question (something I don't think he's earned as of now), but not a big extension.

He's 2.5 years into his career and still only has a handful of good to great games, even a real strong finish to this season where he's been very up and down until now, isn't worthy of a $40+ million contract.

Actually play lights out the rest of the year and I admit he earned the 5th year being picked up, but short of him being the reason for an actual SB run this year, there's nothing he can do to make me say he's earned an extension.  He'd need to prove it for a full season next year to say he's earned that.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I do not think it's at all possible for him to play well enough to earn that contract this offseason.

He could play lights out the rest of the season and we win the division and I still don't think he'd have earned it.  That would have earned the 5th year being picked up no question (something I don't think he's earned as of now), but not a big extension.

He's 2.5 years into his career and still only has a handful of good to great games, even a real strong finish to this season where he's been very up and down until now, isn't worthy of a $40+ million contract.

Actually play lights out the rest of the year and I admit he earned the 5th year being picked up, but short of him being the reason for an actual SB run this year, there's nothing he can do to make me say he's earned an extension.  He'd need to prove it for a full season next year to say he's earned that.

I didn't think he'd make it through this season.

One point someone else made though was that his year two was better than his year one, and his year three was even better than year two.

So what happens in year four?

I don't think it's likely, but right now I can't really deny it's possible. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I didn't think he'd make it through this season.

One point someone else made though was that his year two was better than his year one, and his year three was even better than year two.

So what happens in year four?

I don't think it's likely, but right now I can't really deny it's possible. 

JMO, but the only reason he made it through this season is we did everything possible to keep a backup that was worse than Bryce. Dalton was washed lasted year. How he got a 2 year contract is beyond me. 

Year 1 was one of the worst years ever for a rookie QB. Nowhere to go but up. 

Year 2 he was benched 2 games in until Dalton for hurt in a car accident. Then he played better but we were out of it and the pressure was off. 

Year 3 has been well below average with a few bright spots here and there. 

Year 4 maybe average might be a guess, but that's stretching it IMO. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

JMO, but the only reason he made it through this season is we did everything possible to keep a backup that was worse than Bryce. Dalton was washed lasted year. How he got a 2 year contract is beyond me. 

Year 1 was one of the worst years ever for a rookie QB. Nowhere to go but up. 

Year 2 he was benched 2 games in until Dalton for hurt in a car accident. Then he played better but we were out of it and the pressure was off. 

Year 3 has been well below average with a few bright spots here and there. 

Year 4 maybe average might be a guess, but that's stretching it IMO. 

If we keep winning with him, I expect him to stay.

And honestly, if we do keep winning, I won't give a sh-t how it's happening or who's most / least responsible for it.

[tukafan21]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I didn't think he'd make it through this season.

One point someone else made though was that his year two was better than his year one, and his year three was even better than year two.

So what happens in year four?

I don't think it's likely, but right now I can't really deny it's possible. 

Except he's only gotten better because those first two years had him on a path to be a bigger bust than Jamarcus Russell, he's still one of the worst starting QB's in the league this year even if he has improved each year.

Improvement that still has you as one of the worst at whatever you're doing doesn't necessarily mean you should be given longer to prove yourself.

How many teams right now would swap QB situations with us?

I think no more than 7, and quite honestly as few as possibly only 2, if any at all.

Jets, Browns, Saints, Raiders, Falcons, Jags, and Cardinals are really the only teams that I think would even entertain a swap.  And of them, the Jets, Browns, and Raiders might all prefer to just stand pat and see how their high draft slots might play out while the Falcons still might prefer to see what happens with Penix instead.  

Then the Jags and Cardinals (fan bases at least) are so fed up with their QB play given the contracts, that they might make the swap just to get out of those contracts.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Except he's only gotten better because those first two years had him on a path to be a bigger bust than Jamarcus Russell, he's still one of the worst starting QB's in the league this year even if he has improved each year.

Improvement that still has you as one of the worst at whatever you're doing doesn't necessarily mean you should be given longer to prove yourself.

How many teams right now would swap QB situations with us?

I think no more than 7, and quite honestly as few as possibly only 2, if any at all.

Jets, Browns, Saints, Raiders, Falcons, Jags, and Cardinals are really the only teams that I think would even entertain a swap.  And of them, the Jets, Browns, and Raiders might all prefer to just stand pat and see how their high draft slots might play out while the Falcons still might prefer to see what happens with Penix instead.  

Then the Jags and Cardinals (fan bases at least) are so fed up with their QB play given the contracts, that they might make the swap just to get out of those contracts.

See above.

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If we keep winning with him, I expect him to stay.

And honestly, if we do keep winning, I won't give a sh-t how it's happening or who's most / least responsible for it.

But here's my thing. If you plug in Jacoby Brissett, are we still a winning football team? Most likely yes. That's my issue. We're at the point of franchise QB defining money and I don't see the difference between what Bryce is doing and what an average NFL starter is doing. I don't care about one and done in the playoffs and off into obscurity again. I want consistent success. We haven't had it in 3 decades. An inconsistent QB in the bottom 3rd metric of starting QBs doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies that he's going to lead the team that direction either.