Young nominated again...

[Loyalty4Life]

5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Again, as I've noted in my other posts in this thread, we're not talking about the actual MVP award, we're talking about an award who's purpose is to award great statistical performances.

And beyond that, you used a terrible example to try and support Bryce here.

No, he doesn't have a 300 yard game, but he's also currently leading the league in passing yards (yes, he'll fall a couple spots while on by this week, but he's still currently 4th in the league in YPG), while Bryce is currently 19th.

Bryce just threw for 206 yards, his 3rd most yards in a game this year.

Drake has only thrown for less than 206 yards one time all year.  Against us, in a game they won by 29 points and he went 14/17 for 203 with 2 TDs and another rushing TD on top. 

Drake also only has 3 games this season having thrown less than 259 yards.

Bryce has 5 career games over 259 yards passing.

If this award is for the week, why are you pulling stats outside that parameter?  

It's also a fan vote so it's just PR and Marketing.

The award isn't just about stats.  According to the website:

The program, now in its 23^rd year, celebrates weekly standouts from across the league while connecting elite player performance with meaningful community support.

https://newsroom.fedex.com/newsroom/global-english/fedex-air-ground-nfl-awards-enters-second-year-of-expanded-player-format

[tukafan21]

24 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

I think the stats he’s nominated for are 3 TDs of 30+ yds, 2 on 4th down, 0 turnovers, 75% completion, 147 rating, etc. Unless “stats” is code for “400 yards”, his stats are certainly worthy of winning the award.

I don't think he's worthy of being nominated for the award this week, even with those very broken down stats.  He had a great statistical game, I'm not saying he didn't, I just see how it was a Top 6 statistical performance this week.

Brown's 10 receptions for 132 Yards and 2 TDs is so much better than anything Bryce put out there statistically today.

It also means you're giving more credit to the "3 TDs of 30+ yards" than Mahomes throwing for 25% more yards and an extra TD, which is something else I'd disagree on, if you need to break down how long a TD pass was to give reasoning as to why lesser stats were actually better than someone else's, then I think you're hurting your own argument.

And yes, I know I've been a very vocal anti Bryce guy, but this has NOTHING to do with that.  I just view this as an award that is purely statistically based, and if anything, could (or maybe should) be done blind and only looking at box score output without knowing players or game outcomes.  And in that view, I don't see how Bryce had a game worthy of being nominated for the award this week, that there were at least 6 better purely statistical performances, that's all.

Edited 1 hour ago by tukafan21

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

If this award is for the week, why are you pulling stats outside that parameter?  

It's also a fan vote so it's just PR and Marketing.

The award isn't just about stats.  According to the website:

The program, now in its 23^rd year, celebrates weekly standouts from across the league while connecting elite player performance with meaningful community support.

https://newsroom.fedex.com/newsroom/global-english/fedex-air-ground-nfl-awards-enters-second-year-of-expanded-player-format

Because I was responding directly to someone pointing out how Maye is an MVP contender without throwing for 300 yards this season.

That particular post had nothing to do with this weekly award, it was solely pointing out the craziness of that statement.

I also don't think that statement means what you think it does.  The "meaningful community support" I'm pretty sure is just a reference to it being a fan voted thing, as it's not like they talk about what these guys do in their communities when they're nominated for it and a factor in why they were nominated.

[mrBdawg]

2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

206 yards passing gets nominated for this now?  What are we even doing here?!?!

3 touchdowns, 2 DOTS and yes I said DOTS on crucial 4th downs for touchdowns to beat the #1 team. Context matters big dawg.
 

national media sees it but a panther fan doesn’t lol 

Edited 1 hour ago by mrBdawg

[Loyalty4Life]

13 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Because I was responding directly to someone pointing out how Maye is an MVP contender without throwing for 300 yards this season.

That particular post had nothing to do with this weekly award, it was solely pointing out the craziness of that statement.

I also don't think that statement means what you think it does.  The "meaningful community support" I'm pretty sure is just a reference to it being a fan voted thing, as it's not like they talk about what these guys do in their communities when they're nominated for it and a factor in why they were nominated.

You could have read the article.

It's a PR thing the NFL and Fedex has been doing for over two decades to promote Fedex, the NFL and charity work.

"Winners won’t just take home accolades, they also unlock impact. Every Player of the Week honor will result in a donation from FedEx to Feeding America for a local food bank in the winning players’ cities.

Since the program’s inception in 2003, FedEx has donated nearly $3 million to nonprofit organizations, such as charities and children’s hospitals, in the name of winning players. This new chapter with Feeding America brings the program’s community impact to NFL markets."

Everyone is making a bunch of assumptions about the parameters of the award and what being nominated is based on and then arguing over it.  It's whoever the NFL deems had a great game and then fans vote.  Everybody cheers and hungry kids get to eat.

 

Edited 56 minutes ago by Loyalty4Life

[cranky]

19 minutes ago, TN05 said:

I’ve never seen a group of fans so unhappy to be winning

I can't help but think there are some here who dislike Bryce so much they would rather watch the Panthers tank than see Young succeed. 

[tukafan21]

16 minutes ago, cranky said:

I can't help but think there are some here who dislike Bryce so much they would rather watch the Panthers tank than see Young succeed. 

No, it's that there are a lot of us who think we're winning in spite of Bryce and that he is not, and can not, succeed at a high level in this league.  The reason we're becoming more vocal the last month or so is because we see the writing on the wall, and that the team's success in spite of him is going to get his 5th year extension picked up and brought as our starter despite his actual play not being worthy of either.

But I KNOW there are many Panthers fans who want to see Bryce succeed so badly that they are completely blind to the glaringly obvious issues he has and have wet dreams over mediocre games.

I'm sorry, but I'm just so sick of people making comments like this.

It's so asinine to think the anti Bryce crowd is willing to spend as much time as they do watching the games, following the team, talking on here or other places online, spend our money on team gear, etc, but because we don't think a player is good enough to be our long term QB and give specific and legitimate reasons why, that we want to see the Panthers tank.

It's just such nonsense

I will fully give him credit that he's improved in certain areas, particularly turnovers.  But small improvements in some areas don't make up for his severe limitations and issues in other critical aspects.  

Saying these things doesn't mean we want the Panthers to fail, it just means we have objective opinions and aren't afraid to voice them, even if unpopular with a segment of our fan base.

He is 23rd in QB Rating, there are only 3 QB's in the league with at least 10 starts who have less passing yards per game (not to mention he's 29th in the league in YPG overall).  But some fans here think he's playing at some elite level and has proven he deserves to be our long term solution.

Edited 44 minutes ago by tukafan21

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

No, it's that there are a lot of us who think we're winning in spite of Bryce and that he is not, and can not, succeed at a high level in this league.  The reason we're becoming more vocal the last month or so is because we see the writing on the wall, and that the team's success in spite of him is going to get his 5th year extension picked up and brought as our starter despite his actual play not being worthy of either.

But I KNOW there are many Panthers fans who want to see Bryce succeed so badly that they are completely blind to the glaringly obvious issues he has and have wet dreams over mediocre games.

I'm sorry, but I'm just so sick of people making comments like this.

It's so asinine to think the anti Bryce crowd is willing to spend as much time as they do watching the games, following the team, talking on here or other places online, spend our money on team gear, etc, but because we don't think a player is good enough to be our long term QB and give specific and legitimate reasons why, that we want to see the Panthers tank.

It's just such nonsense

I will fully give him credit that he's improved in certain areas, particularly turnovers.  But small improvements in some areas don't make up for his severe limitations and issues in other critical aspects.  

Saying these things doesn't mean we want the Panthers to fail, it just means we have objective opinions and aren't afraid to voice them, even if unpopular with a segment of our fan base.

Maybe if you guys can start a petition and send it to Tepper? I hear you can also rent a crowd to protest outside BOA for you. I'm not sure what any of here can do about it. I mean if you guys keep saying how he sucks another 1 million times Tepper will get it by Jedi mind control. Not directed at you specifically but point still stands.

[ncsfinest21]

46 minutes ago, Manna said:

At lease no one is nominated for air or ground for going against our team. 

apple pie, pecan pie and sweet potato pie for that one

[TheSpecialJuan]

48 minutes ago, TN05 said:

I’ve never seen a group of fans so unhappy to be winning

seriously 

[WUnderhill]

34 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I don't think he's worthy of being nominated for the award this week, even with those very broken down stats.  He had a great statistical game, I'm not saying he didn't, I just see how it was a Top 6 statistical performance this week.

Brown's 10 receptions for 132 Yards and 2 TDs is so much better than anything Bryce put out there statistically today.

It also means you're giving more credit to the "3 TDs of 30+ yards" than Mahomes throwing for 25% more yards and an extra TD, which is something else I'd disagree on, if you need to break down how long a TD pass was to give reasoning as to why lesser stats were actually better than someone else's, then I think you're hurting your own argument.

I was just pointing to a stat that may have been part of the reason he was nominated. He had a bunch of elite stats and the only average one was passing yards. It’s not called the “most yards of the week award.” I get you want to argue because it’s something positive about Bryce Young, but jfc give it a rest.

[Loyalty4Life]

So far, Tepper has never fired anyone I didn't already want fired.

[tukafan21]

54 minutes ago, TN05 said:

I’ve never seen a group of fans so unhappy to be winning

I'd be very interested in seeing someone point me to a post saying any Panthers fans are unhappy with winning?

We're happy the team is winning, but we're still unhappy with Bryce's play ON THE WHOLE.

Yes, we recognize he's had a handful of good games, but even in them, he's still not making the type of plays/throws that high level QB's make, at least not on a consistent basis, one or two of those throws every few weeks does not make him a high level QB.  Especially when every single one of those "high level throws" he's ever had are touch passes, as he's physically unable to properly drive the ball downfield into small windows, which for me, has and will always be my biggest issue with Bryce.

Many of us are also able to look at what we see in front of us on the field and extrapolate that out to the future, and we don't see Bryce's play as a way for sustainable success.  If he was anyone else other than our own #1 overall draft pick, say if he was a mid rounder now in his 3rd season here or if he was a FA we picked up at some point, the same fans bowing down to him right now would be calling for him to be replaced and saying he was holding back the team.

Edited 30 minutes ago by tukafan21