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Go after Shedeur this offseason.

Proudiddy

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think we've seen Bryce's ceiling. It's basically his recent play. If the D is playing well and you can lean on the running game and just let him dink and dunk and pray he can hit one or two downfield throws you can win with Bryce. But your margin of error is extremely small and you're gonna need a turnover margin advantage to beat good teams with that formula. 

Possibly, but I'm not honestly even worried about whether he can have a better performance.

I want consistency.

And as I've said many times, I'll take "consistently good"  over "occasionally great" ten times out of ten. 

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Oh yes, the "guy on the internet who claims to have watched all the Arizona games but also all the Carolina games" metric. 

Mr. Scot, is this the threshold you have for information now??

Well, if you want to discount "guy on the Internet with an opinion" then I have some bad news for you 😄

He's not exactly alone in what he's said though 

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11 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Your fascination with passing yards is fascinating.

You’re almost as bad as those people who say Cam wasn’t a good quarterback because he had over 4000 passing yards once.

It’s called offense. Yeah, it’s sort of what it’s all about 

and your bad takes and off the mark comments continue….as Cam Newton is the Carolina Panthers GOAT.  Not just QB.  Player.

Cam Newton gets offense.  Much like Josh Allen.  And they can literally be one man offensive shows if need be.   They are the rising tide that lifts boats.  So let’s quit bringing up all these names when talking about the current QB here 

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2 hours ago, CRA said:

Just had his best game? The Panthers did have their best win in terms of quality of opponent.  Reality is, Bryce Young was treated like a backup QB for almost the entire game vs the Rams.   It's yet another example of a long run of oddities come to life for Bryce on  the year.  Almost this weird The Golden Calf of Bristol season weirdness where it clearly is not good QB play but randomness resulting in a random season overall. 

Canales frankly called 2 really dumb calls on 4th down and it worked out terrifically.  I mean, credit Bryce for making the plays, sure.   But I don't think 2 wild gambles really erase everything else.  I mean, take out the 4th down oddities and he was at 130 yards on the day (with a lot of YAC). 

My bad, I was referring to the Falcons game

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Possibly, but I'm not honestly even worried about whether he can have a better performance.

I want consistency.

And as I've said many times, I'll take "consistently good"  over "occasionally great" ten times out of ten. 

I think the problem is that the ceiling is "consistently mediocre" with "occasionally good" and the one great performance.

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15 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Sure but how many genuinely successful NFL starting QB's are this bad for this long before figuring it out? Let's be honest, almost none of them get this many opportunities with their original drafted team.

Maybe that's the problem? Maybe if QB's had more time to figure it out more would end up successful in the end? I know a lot of youtuber channels like Brett Kollman have contemplated this and think QBs are thrown in way too early and given up on way too quickly.

As far as BY goes, I'm not sold on him or anything, more on the fence. I've seen a lot of good and bad from him. Some QBs do develop late, like Sam Darnold. Do I want to hold onto BY for 5 more years to find out? No. I do think he should be our QB for next year unless a clear and obvious upgrade were to fall into our lap, otherwise I don't see the point of changing QBs going into next year. Keep building the team and insert an upgrade at QB whenever that opportunity presents.

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2 hours ago, Car123 said:

This is why people don’t take Bryce haters seriously. Bryce young is not the worst starter in the league.

Statistically, by almost every possible metric measured, since he was drafted, he is the worst starter in the NFL over that stretch.  It’s no debate.  That’s facts.  That’s numbers.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think the problem is that the ceiling is "consistently mediocre" with "occasionally good" and the one great performance.

I'm not putting any bets on Bryce being able to reach that ceiling.

 

(yes, I meant to do that) 😄

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2 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Statistically, by almost every possible metric measured, since he was drafted, he is the worst starter in the NFL over that stretch.  It’s no debate.  That’s facts.  That’s numbers.

We’re talking this year.

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29 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The league demonstrated their view by not drafting him. 

But he was drafted...just not where he wanted to be drafted. No one really can say with ironclad clarity as to why. It was probably a combination of things (including their belief in his capabilities), but it wasn't because he told the Ravens not to draft him, as he did that on day three of the draft (and was drafted three spots later).

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9 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Drew Brees is an example. poo, Geno Smith, Alex Smith, Daniel Jones were bad for longer. 
 

Edit: Sam Danrnold was worse.

Brees(like Allen before) was already having a fantastic year by year three.

Geno Smith is valid but also remember that by year two he lost his starting job and it was 8 years until he regained it.

Alex Smith is a difficult comparison only because he started so infrequently over his first 4 seasons due to injury. It actually really wasn't until Kansas City(his 9th NFL season) that he climbed out of the "Bryce Young" tier of QB's. He actually had almost all of his NFL success post-SF with Andy Reid. He was bad for a significant length of time AND with SF for all of it. This was an exercise in patience that I think basically no one wants to see with Bryce Young and the Panthers.

Daniel Jones is a similar-ish track. Wasn't really good until about year 4 and then sort of declined for injury and play related reasons after that. Of course, one could also argue that he really only has had two "good" seasons in his 7 year NFL career including this season. Again, probably not the track we should hope for with Bryce Young.

 

So, I will give you the latter two. Those are good comps. But, also the length of time to turn that around would be pretty bad for us. Both of those guys also were examples of getting a big contract extension that the original team that signed it sorely regretted. 

 

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But he was drafted...just not where he wanted to be drafted. No one really can say with ironclad clarity as to why. It was probably a combination of things (including their belief in his capabilities), but it wasn't because he told the Ravens not to draft him, as he did that on day three. 

Does that really help his case, though?

It's generally believed that he dropped as far as he did over the attitude issues. If, however, it wasn't so much the attitude as it was the evaluation of his abilities, that's arguably worse.

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      Well I'm watching every game this season so it's the same football, same time frame. I see things differently than you do. I can't tell what your actual opinion is because lately it's been coming from Joe Person and others.  For someone who doesnt believe in stats you sure as poo seem to be hung up on them. And let's not forget, Jake was a practice squad QB, not the number 1 overall draft pick. They aren't even comparable in expectations of past performance or expected level of QB play.  I didn't even mention stats for the 1st 2 years with Bryce. That would be you. What he looked like from the 1st 2 years was that same QB with the same god awful mechanics making throws squared up to the line, not driving his passes, bailing out of the pocket too early, sloppy footwork on drop backs, hopping to get his pass over the line because he's not tall enough to actually throw over a defensive player. When things aren't perfect, he looks like that same awful rookie player. That's why I said you can't ignore past performance. You go back and look to see if he's still doing those things or if he's developing. 
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