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Mr. Scot

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4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think Murray will draw significantly more interest because he doesn't have the injury worries that Tua always will have. But, I wouldn't be shocked to see a trade for both because I think this will be a more QB needy offseason than normal. There are several playoff caliber teams that are going to be in need of QB stability.

Murray also has a lot of really impressive flashes on film.  He's a great athlete sans being 5 feet tall.

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17 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

This also should throw up a red flag to our front office

In my imaginary world, The Bengals make Burrow available  and we go get him...  Tired of the Qb play being a topic of discussion. In no way should we tie our future into Bryce. He's showed us that he is a Backup Qb with some potential  for decent games sporadically. Time to accept  that bc no franchise Qb is averaging 155 yards a game. 

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2 minutes ago, Lurk21 said:

In my imaginary world, The Bengals make Burrow available  and we go get him...  Tired of the Qb play being a topic of discussion. In no way should we tie our future into Bryce. He's showed us that he is a Backup Qb with some potential  for decent games sporadically. Time to accept  that bc no franchise Qb is averaging 155 yards a game. 

Playing for Tepper's Panthers doesn't seem like something that would ignite a fire under a guy already sounding like he's ready to pull a Luck and just walk away from it all.

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2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Murray also has a lot of really impressive flashes on film.  He's a great athlete sans being 5 feet tall.

And he is also sub-30. He isn't that far removed from being considered a borderline top 10 QB.

I actually think he will be a relatively hot commodity BUT with the caveat that his potential suitors are not going to want to tote him at his current contract level.

Those mega contracts for Tua and Kyler may force them to be released first. You have to be willing to take a bigger financial gamble on a trade. Plus, we have no idea what the asking prices would be.

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3 minutes ago, Lurk21 said:

In my imaginary world, The Bengals make Burrow available  and we go get him...  Tired of the Qb play being a topic of discussion. In no way should we tie our future into Bryce. He's showed us that he is a Backup Qb with some potential  for decent games sporadically. Time to accept  that bc no franchise Qb is averaging 155 yards a game. 

The price tag for Burrow would likely be an NFL record amount.

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2 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Damn, that will be an easy win for the Bucs now unless they turn it over a ton of times. Ewers was a crap QB at Texas with first round talent all around him....

Yeah, I'm not expecting improvements for them from benching Tua for Temu Tua. I understand why they want to get a look at the rookie but honestly I'd play Wilson and see what my offense could look like with a guy with high level NFL tools even if it's just a few glimpses in an overall pile of poo.

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6 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Damn, that will be an easy win for the Bucs now unless they turn it over a ton of times. Ewers was a crap QB at Texas with first round talent all around him....

I expect Ewers to extend the list of starting QB's that are worse than Bryce.

I don't like that at all. It's just more ammo for the Forever Brycers inside our franchise.

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10 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Murray also has a lot of really impressive flashes on film.  He's a great athlete sans being 5 feet tall.

But he has severe issues with getting prepped from reports Ive heard. He relies more on athletic ability than actually watching and studying film. He's not prepared well on game days, so it's been said, and a lot of times it looks that way. 

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I expect Ewers to extend the list of starting QB's that are worse than Bryce.

I don't like that at all. It's just more ammo for the Forever Brycers inside our franchise.

Week 16 rookie QB making his 1st start. I'd expect him to be. However, if he performs as well as or better than Bryce, then it's DC's gameplay to minimize throwing opportunities, etc etc 

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10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Playing for Tepper's Panthers doesn't seem like something that would ignite a fire under a guy already sounding like he's ready to pull a Luck and just walk away from it all.

I understand  your logic but can't stop a man from dreaming

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Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

But he has severe issues with getting prepped from reports Ive heard. He relies more on athletic ability than actually watching and studying film. He's not prepared well on game days, so it's been said, and a lot of times it looks that way. 

It's hard to know how much of that is accurate or still true. One would hope they wouldn't sign him to that mega deal if it were still really bad, but dumber things have happened before.

I think you will see what the league's opinion is when he is on the block and/or released. Will he get Justin Fields 1.0 treatment or will he have a lot of suitors lined up to talk?

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1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

But he has severe issues with getting prepped from reports Ive heard. He relies more on athletic ability than actually watching and studying film. He's not prepared well on game days, so it's been said, and a lot of times it looks that way. 

Yeah, I think Murray has always been an extremely talented athlete who just doesn't love ball. To be a good starting QB over the long haul in the NFL you pretty much have to obsessively love ball. But there will be a market for him. Every coach thinks he's the guy who's going to get through to these types of players but it almost never pans out. You can't coach want to anymore than you can coach talent.

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2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

But he has severe issues with getting prepped from reports Ive heard. He relies more on athletic ability than actually watching and studying film. He's not prepared well on game days, so it's been said, and a lot of times it looks that way. 

He's also hurt for a significant portion of every season. 

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      No. Physical tools alone aren't enough. There are plenty of examples of draft busts to support that. Aost all of them had the physical tools and that wasn't enough. But Bryce is a perfect example of the opposite. Absolutely elite intangibles aren't enough either. If you simply don't have the physical abilities all the football intelligence and work ethic in the world won't be enough to overcome it. Just look to the sidelines every Sunday. We call those people "coaches".
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      As much as I despise Billy B, his philosophy on QBs is how I would approach things if I were a GM. You always keep looking for your next starter.  He has Bledsoe, who got injured and his backup ended up being the GOAT. Even while he had that going, he kept getting his next guy and developing them. When Brady got hurt, Cassel stepped in and went 11-5 and they missed the wild card by dumb luck. Who knows how far they would have gone if they had gotten in. Jimmy Gs career started in NE. There were others, but he always kept looking.  You can't be afraid to keep looking for your next starter, but it looks like we're afraid to look for more than a marginal one. If you're going to offer a $25m contract with incentives, that screams marginal QB. It also screams you're just a transition until we find our guy. After a 10 or 11 win season, he's not accepting that offer. And then you're in a Daniel Jones situation. Do you pay for a year of success and pray it wasn't a one year wonder?  To this point, Bryce has really produced nothing, yet for whatever reason, our FO has not even sniffed at the idea that we need a real QB room with real QBs. Dalton was never starter potential, Plummer was a joke. KP certainly isn't, neither is Grier.  Our approach to the QB room needs to be one of strength not fear. Bring in guys who can compete or who you think can compete. This is THE elite position, in an elite sport, paid premium salary, where production matters. Either you produce or you can lose your job. It's not mean, it's just the reality of the position.  And I'm really just tired of our candy ass approach to it. 
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      If you plug Bryce onto the Pro Bowl roster you might have a chance to compete for a SB. If he's surrounded by top tier talent with a top tier defense on the other side, a field flipping punter, and a kicker good from 60+ you might have a chance. But that means you basically have to recreate Saban's Bama in the NFL and that's impossible... and Bryce couldn't win a championship in that environment either. What the Panthers didn't realize when they got so obsessed with his "PG mentality" was that what they were looking st was a "barely checks the box PG". The basketball equivalent of Bryce would be an undersized PG with marginal athleticism who can make the basic plays but adds nothing to the team in terms of elevating the overall team. Not a great shooter, not a great defender, not a great driver. Just a guy who can basically get you into the offense and be a matador on defense. Basically a placeholder while you look to upgrade the PG position. 
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