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Mr. Scot

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2 minutes ago, Lurk21 said:

His biggest  issue is never having an oline and a cheap owner. Can't say that's the same here but definitely  not the top of the list. Can never tell but he has never had a oline that protected and a steady running game.  Playing in our division  is another selling point but either way we have to address Qb 1 way or another. 

He would also be completely missing elite WR's here. Yes it is possible TMac could eventually be one but Burrow has never(even in college) played with a WR Corps as bad as ours would be. It might take some luster off of his otherwordly performances, TBQH. 

Not to mention the draft capital losses and cap room taken would likely cripple our defense to being as bad as it currently is for several years. So, essentially he would be trading a good offensive line for good offensive weapons while still being hamstrung with a bad defense. 

I'm down to see elite QB play again but I wouldn't expect a ton of success for the first few seasons, anyway. I would have a lot less issue being patient with that kind of weapon, though. Not sure he would have the same patience with our franchise.

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3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He would also be completely missing elite WR's here. Yes it is possible TMac could eventually be one but Burrow has never(even in college) played with a WR Corps as bad as ours would be.

This is an exaggeration. We’re probably better than tee Higgins and whomever else was in that team his rookie season.

hes also never had an offensive line in the nfl.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I think Murray has always been an extremely talented athlete who just doesn't love ball. To be a good starting QB over the long haul in the NFL you pretty much have to obsessively love ball. But there will be a market for him. Every coach thinks he's the guy who's going to get through to these types of players but it almost never pans out. You can't coach want to anymore than you can coach talent.

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"I can fix her!"

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Just now, electro's horse said:

This is an exaggeration. We’re probably better than tee Higgins and whomever else was in that team his rookie season.

hes also never had an offensive line in the nfl.

Tyler Boyd and shell of AJ Green. Recall that was Boyd coming off back to back 1k seasons with the Red Rocket, so I would say that is still a significantly better WR Corps that our current one. Now, a few years from that now may not be the case but that's putting a lot in the basket of TMac really becoming elite and Coker developing into an exceptional possession WR. The rest of the gang is basically hopes and prayers. We hope and pray that Horn or Tremayne or even XL eventually becomes more than a 4th-6th WR but that's asking for a LOT of development. 

 

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27 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Sign him up. I doubt he has any interest here but he can't be that much worse than some of the bums we keep trotting out there.

Late season means he's subject to waivers.

That doesn't necessarily improve the chances of him coming here, of course. We're not as high as on that list as we've typically been.

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Lmao I forgot about Tyler Boyd

(I think Coker is already Very fuginy Good but he’ll never produce with Bryce for obvious reasons)

I like Coker a lot but the offseason conditioning stuff has me somewhat worried about his commitment to his craft. I genuinely hope they start focusing more on getting him developed and perhaps invest significantly less time in trying to develop whatever next roadkill/XL themed stadium sandwich. 

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1 hour ago, toldozer said:

If we go anything less than 2-1 down the stretch I can't see them picking up the 5th year option. Bring in a rookie and another vet and give it an honest competition. If they do that and are completely unbiased Bryce won't win the job

You are expecting too much from this crew. If anyone is brought un it will be an UDFA. I fully expect both Bryce and Ansy to be here next season. I'm telling you they are all in on Young.

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1 hour ago, PantherBoy95 said:

That Saints game was so disappointing on another level. To have the division lead in your hands after years and years of being abysmal, and to lose it to a 3-10 team (who got one win on us)...I can't even put that into words.

I'll root for us to make it to the playoffs. But games like that make it hard for me to believe we deserve it..or more importantly will show up when it's time to dance.

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not buying the hopium anymore 

0 and 12 or is it now 0 and 13 when favored will do that 

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

There might be one or two positional coaches in the NFL that think that about Bryce Young and that's probably after doing a heroic amount of cocaine.

I didn't post that with any particular player in mind, just taking off on Linville's comment.

Heaven knows a lot of coaches thought they could fix Terrell Owens. 

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I didn't post that with any particular player in mind, just taking off on Linville's comment.

Heaven knows a lot of coaches thought they could fix Terrell Owens. 

The difference is that Owens always produced on the field. That will get you a long ways, even if you are a nutcase. 

 

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Just now, UnluckyforSome said:

With the Panthers being out of the playoff hunt by all appearances, I think they should do the same. Bench the starter and see what we might have in a younger guy that has just been riding the pine so far. You never know what could happen.

They are most definitely not out of the playoff hunt. 

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      No. Physical tools alone aren't enough. There are plenty of examples of draft busts to support that. Aost all of them had the physical tools and that wasn't enough. But Bryce is a perfect example of the opposite. Absolutely elite intangibles aren't enough either. If you simply don't have the physical abilities all the football intelligence and work ethic in the world won't be enough to overcome it. Just look to the sidelines every Sunday. We call those people "coaches".
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      If you plug Bryce onto the Pro Bowl roster you might have a chance to compete for a SB. If he's surrounded by top tier talent with a top tier defense on the other side, a field flipping punter, and a kicker good from 60+ you might have a chance. But that means you basically have to recreate Saban's Bama in the NFL and that's impossible... and Bryce couldn't win a championship in that environment either. What the Panthers didn't realize when they got so obsessed with his "PG mentality" was that what they were looking st was a "barely checks the box PG". The basketball equivalent of Bryce would be an undersized PG with marginal athleticism who can make the basic plays but adds nothing to the team in terms of elevating the overall team. Not a great shooter, not a great defender, not a great driver. Just a guy who can basically get you into the offense and be a matador on defense. Basically a placeholder while you look to upgrade the PG position. 
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