Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

The Case for(or Against) Drafting/Signing a TE

kungfoodude

By kungfoodude,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

PleaseCutStewart Grand Master

PleaseCutStewart

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The Oregon TE is probably the best candidate.

I rather doubt he will be available at our pick.

I don't think he is anywhere close to Bowers talent. Then again, Bowers is one of the best TEs ever to come out in the draft.

Haven't looked at the TEs in this class, but I say just roll with what we got for next year. Get the defense fixed between edge rusher, edge setter DE, linebacker, and cover specialist free safety 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
  • Author
Posted
1 minute ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I don't think he is anywhere close to Bowers talent. Then again, Bowers is one of the best TEs ever to come out in the draft.

Haven't looked at the TEs in this class, but I say just roll with what we got for next year. Get the defense fixed between edge rusher, edge setter DE, linebacker, and cover specialist free safety 

Oregon TE is probably a better blocker on day 1 than Bowers was. Possibly a better athlete(TBD).

But, we have seen those types not flourish before.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
PleaseCutStewart Grand Master

PleaseCutStewart

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Oregon TE is probably a better blocker on day 1 than Bowers was. Possibly a better athlete(TBD).

But, we have seen those types not flourish before.

I'm always worried about Oregon skill position players because of the gimmicky offenses they run.

I haven't watched much of Oregon this year, but I honestly can't think of any Oregon TEs they have been successful in the NFL. All I know is that we had some mediocre at best ones on our team like Ed Dickson and Dante Rosario in the 2000s...

Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
  • Author
Posted
7 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I'm always worried about Oregon skill position players because of the gimmicky offenses they run.

I haven't watched much of Oregon this year, but I honestly can't think of any Oregon TEs they have been successful in the NFL. All I know is that we had some mediocre at best ones on our team like Ed Dickson and Dante Rosario in the 2000s...

Lol. I mean 95+% of college offenses are gimmicky. 

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
strato Grand Master

strato

Posted
Posted

I’d give it another year for Sanders and Evans, I don’t much care what you do with Tremble’s spot. Let him have another year or maybe replace him. Haven’t looked at his contract so that may be the determining factor. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
frankw Grand Master

frankw

Posted
Posted
24 minutes ago, strato said:

I’d give it another year for Sanders and Evans, I don’t much care what you do with Tremble’s spot. Let him have another year or maybe replace him. Haven’t looked at his contract so that may be the determining factor. 

Evans is still in his first year so the learning process is still in full swing. Tremble and Evans should have a firmer grasp to say the least. But as critical as we can be of the group and the ridiculous inconsistency we should keep coming back to Canales. Where is the development? As I said in another thread he needs to relinquish playcalling duties and focus on the the moving parts of the team as a whole. His stubborn resistance to this is going to end with him getting fired. Just my opinion.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
strato Grand Master

strato

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, frankw said:

Evans is still in his first year so the learning process is still in full swing. Tremble and Evans should have a firmer grasp to say the least. But as critical as we can be of the group and the ridiculous inconsistency we should keep coming back to Canales. Where is the development? As I said in another thread he needs to relinquish playcalling duties and focus on the the moving parts of the team as a whole. His stubborn resistance to this is going to end with him getting fired. Just my opinion.

I think the, or A big rub there is Idzik and what do you do with him? Canales will not want to be disloyal I don’t think, and if Canales doesn’t call plays well someone has to and it seems like that would mean new OC.
 

Which is another damned can of worms. That only makes sense to me, or it make way more sense, if we change QBs. You don’t change the system  and spend that time in almost certain regression with this barely capable QB. 
 

I was never hot on Canales and there are some negatives no doubt but I think at this point you keep stuff intact.  I would get him a QB to work with that isn’t some unicorn. 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
frankw Grand Master

frankw

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, strato said:

I think the, or A big rub there is Idzik and what do you do with him? Canales will not want to be disloyal I don’t think, and if Canales doesn’t call plays well someone has to and it seems like that would mean new OC.
 

Which is another damned can of worms. That only makes sense to me, or it make way more sense, if we change QBs. You don’t change the system  and spend that time in almost certain regression with this barely capable QB. 
 

I was never hot on Canales and there are some negatives no doubt but I think at this point you keep stuff intact.  I would get him a QB to work with that isn’t some unicorn. 

 

Idzik at this point is an afterthought and should be regarded as such going forward.

In terms of Canales as playcaller there's just nothing I've seen to suggest that he is or will ever get to the caliber of a Sean McVay or Andy Reid where you say to yourself this guy should always be calling plays. The only coaches he's truly outcoached in top to bottom blowouts are guys like Raheem Morris and Antonio Pierce. Not impressed.

There's nothing wrong with having a capable OC and many teams in the league operate this way just fine.

We'll see how it all shakes out though.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
raleigh-panther Grand Master

raleigh-panther

Posted
Posted
23 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

In general, Dave Canales tends to target his TE's the least frequently of any position group(WR/RB/TE) during his three years of running an NFL offense. 

TE_1.thumb.PNG.2a6ee5202a96c0e3870902653604b4ff.PNG

However, if you notice this percentage has crept up over time. 2025 is the first year that TE has eclipsed RB in target percentage.

Production has also gone up in 2025. This is a percentage of total output in each category.

TE_2.PNG.112402dd4aff5e17b4f1dc6995d701e3.PNG

Canales has always used a very TE heavy offense. In fact, on average his offensive formations are 2 or 3 TE sets roughly 80% of all offensive formations.

TE_3.PNG.cb4592cd5babd9ad963787a3e61a110f.PNG

So, the question may be, with this uptick in total TE output, could an elite or top tier TE make a significant impact? I believe there is some evidence this may be the case. Here are a look at TE snaps and Cade Otten specifically. These are the snap percentages for all rostered TE's in every Dave Canales offense.

TE_4.PNG.3f09db443de7b4fb7f536ccf68fc011f.PNG

The bolded cell is Cade Otten's whopping 96.46% of total snap counts in the single year he was in the Dave Canales offense in Tampa. This was overwhelmingly his career high. His production was higher with less utilization in 2024, however. 

TE_5.thumb.PNG.d5921b07ab7e5b0bdf822f4f49240811.PNG

 

In conclusion, while I don't anticipate ever seeing a top 5 producing/Pro Bowl caliber TE performance in a Dave Canales offense, there does appear to be some evidence that an actual upgrade in our TE room would actually lead to increasing overall offensive efficiency. I think Otten's utilization rate does indicate that the splitting of time between our relatively even TE group would cede significant snaps if a far superior option were available. I believe this is an area we could(and should have this past offseason/draft) made a more concerted effort to get a dynamic TE threat, after the apparent failure that J. Sanders appears to have been.

 

Woukd be a great addition You know the issues

from my prespective, 2 things the Panthers must do

1. Edge or pass rushers

or 2 oline

or 3 oline

or as Andy Reid says, when in doubt, draft a lineman

it is time   That oline is troubling plus a small person at QB 

they  

1. Can do a lot better than mayes at center,

2. and lewis has had injuries all season.
3. Moton should not have  been resigned long term,

4. corbett is a shadow and will probably be released 

5 and Christianson coming off Achilles  

6 and the kicker, would be Ickey’s contract if they decide to keep him

INMO rookie and contracts will be needed to offset all that 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • toldozer
      Canales and Darnold

      By toldozer · Posted

      Depends, if we would have hired Wilkes and kept darnold were probably be right about where we are now. An average team fighting for a winning record and nfcs crown
    • *FreeFua*
      Why does Bryce get the blame?

      By *FreeFua* · Posted

      And once again I showed you it’s been pretty even. We spent 2nd and 3rd rounders this past draft on edge rushers. No one’s going to sit here and do the math on a draft value chart etc. the only reason I even entertained this was because you said we’ve spent nothing on defense when that simply isn’t true. It also didn’t help we traded our ONLY WR worth a damn to trade up for Bryce soo… And this is kind of the issue with the anti Bryce crowd. This crowd tends to blame him for the trade up. I was team Stroud. Had the panthers not taken Young the only other QB they were going to take was Richardson. So your issue should be with Tepper, Morgan, Fitterer not Bryce.  Bryce is who he is and it was pretty obvious who he was during the draft process. Bryce is slowly developing into that guy most thought he’d be. Give him a WR like Jamo and this offense as a whole would improve greatly.  Anyone thinking he was the next Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen is clearly slow. Bryce was always going to need pieces around him much like EVERY other QB Burrow has Chase and Higgins and they’ve done nothing. After losing in AFC Championship in 2022, Burrow is 17-15. QB’s need a team around them It’s why a Jalen Hurts led Eagles team dismantled a Pat Mahomes led KC team in the SB Imo the QB’s doing the most with the least up until this year have been Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson  This year it’s Drake Maye and Josh Allen  Outside of the 3-5 elite type QB’s I’m not really sure what people expect here. Is Bryce ever going to be in that elite category? Nope. Should we punt on Bryce and keep swinging? I don’t think so. Should we keep swinging while hanging onto Bryce? Yeah but I don’t know what that looks like This team as a whole isn’t very good. Offense and defense and that’s the simple truth  
    • SmokinwithWilly
      Why does Bryce get the blame?

      By SmokinwithWilly · Posted

      I didn't move the goal posts. But anyone who follows football who wants to engage in a rational discussion can't argue that 10 7th round picks are equal to 10 1st rounders in value. The argument has always been we haven't spent as much on defense has we have on offense. Draft picks have value just like salary. We have not spent the same amount of draft pick salary cap on defense that we have on offense since drafting Bryce. It's not even close. Just the 2 1sts we used on Bryce, 2 overall 1sts have a value of 6000. That doesn’t even factor in DJ Moore or the 2 2nds. Bryce cost more than everything we've spent on defense in 6 damn years. 
×
×
  • Create New...