Evero HC requests!

[carpanfan96]

19 minutes ago, rodeo said:

No news is bad news, I feel like he'd be hired by now if he was gonna be

First Interviews have just started in most of the openings he's going for. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

I actually think Evero might be a more serious candidate than we realize for some of these jobs.

I would not be shocked to see him end up getting hired.

[Loyalty4Life]

16 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yes, I provided it. You didn't.

He was the DC of the worst run defense in NFL history.

Why?

A.  He's not very good and could in fact be horrible if the facts are worst defense = worst DC.  

or

B.  He did not have the personal to run a proper NFL defense.

The context is the cupboard was pretty bare when he got here and we focused on the offense and basically put the defense on the back burner.

If A is correct, then explain why last year and this year so many other teams are trying to poach him for a DC or head coach position.  Square that circle for me.

Edited January 16 by Loyalty4Life

[strato]

8 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

He was the DC of the worst run defense in NFL history.

Why?

A.  He's not very good and could in fact be horrible if the facts are worst defense = worst DC.  

or

B.  He did not have the personal to run a proper NFL defense.

The context is the cupboard was pretty bare when he got here and we focused on the offense and basically put the defense on the back burner.

If A is correct, then explain why last year and this year so many other teams are trying to poach him for a DC or head coach position.  Square that circle for me.

I have yet to see his mastery of building a shut down the run defensive scheme.
But I can’t condemn anyone off of what could never be because they were forced to take a butter knife to a gunfight as he was in 2024.  

[kungfoodude]

20 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

He was the DC of the worst run defense in NFL history.

Why?

A.  He's not very good and could in fact be horrible if the facts are worst defense = worst DC.  

or

B.  He did not have the personal to run a proper NFL defense.

The context is the cupboard was pretty bare when he got here and we focused on the offense and basically put the defense on the back burner.

If A is correct, then explain why last year and this year so many other teams are trying to poach him for a DC or head coach position.  Square that circle for me.

Are you now equating best/worst rush defense with best/worst defense? Those are separate things entirely.

For rush defense, depending on how you quantify it, he has been largely in the bottom third of the league his entire career as a defensive coordinator. 

As you can see, aside from his one year in Denver, he has never been above 20th in yardage. Now, there is context to consider which is most coordinators choose to run on him(24th-32nd ranked in his three year in Carolina). So, if you just simply look at Y/A, it has been a relatively mixed bag. Twice a top 15 defense but twice a bottom 15 defense. 

The thing the should make all this good/bad run defense a lot clearer is the right most columns. Evero's defense has always prioritized pass defense and confusing QB's. That's the core of his defensive philosophy, as has been reported relatively widely.

As much as there are ample personnel issues on that side of the ball(many of which he contributes to with his below average talent evaluations) his defenses may never be truly elite in rush and pass defense unless they are stocked with defensive talent. Like....his Denver defense that he inherited was.

To that point, if you look at all those rankings from the three years Fangio(of whom Evero is a noted disciple) it shows a progression of getting steadily better into the far more elite defense it is now under Vance Joseph.

As far as his HC interest, recall that he was a hot commodity after Denver and that cooled significantly after his first two years here. I suppose if you count getting interviews for HC positions as a benchmark for being a good coach(most would not) then he is middle of the packish.

[Loyalty4Life]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Are you now equating best/worst rush defense with best/worst defense? Those are separate things entirely.

For rush defense, depending on how you quantify it, he has been largely in the bottom third of the league his entire career as a defensive coordinator. 

As you can see, aside from his one year in Denver, he has never been above 20th in yardage. Now, there is context to consider which is most coordinators choose to run on him(24th-32nd ranked in his three year in Carolina). So, if you just simply look at Y/A, it has been a relatively mixed bag. Twice a top 15 defense but twice a bottom 15 defense. 

The thing the should make all this good/bad run defense a lot clearer is the right most columns. Evero's defense has always prioritized pass defense and confusing QB's. That's the core of his defensive philosophy, as has been reported relatively widely.

As much as there are ample personnel issues on that side of the ball(many of which he contributes to with his below average talent evaluations) his defenses may never be truly elite in rush and pass defense unless they are stocked with defensive talent. Like....his Denver defense that he inherited was.

To that point, if you look at all those rankings from the three years Fangio(of whom Evero is a noted disciple) it shows a progression of getting steadily better into the far more elite defense it is now under Vance Joseph.

As far as his HC interest, recall that he was a hot commodity after Denver and that cooled significantly after his first two years here. I suppose if you count getting interviews for HC positions as a benchmark for being a good coach(most would not) then he is middle of the packish.

No, both instances of references to the defense were specific to the run defense.  I should have said "run defense" the 2nd time.  You admit there has been ample personal issue but then use those stats to support your argument.

I'm not arguing on the effectiveness of his specific scheme overall.  I'm saying he is only now getting the proper personal to run his scheme.  The stats are the stats and while I don't disagree with any of what you're saying, 3 years of those stats are based on the Panthers front office not giving him the tools to run a competitive NFL defense until this year with D. Brown getting healthy and the additional of Tre'von Moehrig.

I want to see his defense when we don't have multiple key starter positions manned with players who would IMHO are not starting level players.  With some talent  I say all this while not being a big fan of his scheme.  I would prefer a 4-3 but that's neither here or there.

And yes, I would call getting requests and interviews from other teams who want to hire him good evidence that he may be a pretty good DC and has a lot of potential as a HC.

In 2022 he had HC requests from the Broncos, Colts, and Texans.  He also had requests for DC from the Vikings, Falcons and the Panthers.  We hired him to be our DC.

In 2023 it was the Falcons, Raiders and Seahawks for a HC position.

In 2024 the Falcons, Seahawks and the Panthers interviewd him for HC.  We blocked the Jags from a DC interview.

In 2025 (which is this years hiring cycle) so far its the Falcons, Raiders and just today the Steelers, all for the HC position.

 

[DeadpoolPanther]

I’d be pretty shocked if he got a HC job.

 

[kungfoodude]

6 hours ago, Loyalty4Life said:

No, both instances of references to the defense were specific to the run defense.  I should have said "run defense" the 2nd time.  You admit there has been ample personal issue but then use those stats to support your argument.

I'm not arguing on the effectiveness of his specific scheme overall.  I'm saying he is only now getting the proper personal to run his scheme.  The stats are the stats and while I don't disagree with any of what you're saying, 3 years of those stats are based on the Panthers front office not giving him the tools to run a competitive NFL defense until this year with D. Brown getting healthy and the additional of Tre'von Moehrig.

I want to see his defense when we don't have multiple key starter positions manned with players who would IMHO are not starting level players.  With some talent  I say all this while not being a big fan of his scheme.  I would prefer a 4-3 but that's neither here or there.

And yes, I would call getting requests and interviews from other teams who want to hire him good evidence that he may be a pretty good DC and has a lot of potential as a HC.

In 2022 he had HC requests from the Broncos, Colts, and Texans.  He also had requests for DC from the Vikings, Falcons and the Panthers.  We hired him to be our DC.

In 2023 it was the Falcons, Raiders and Seahawks for a HC position.

In 2024 the Falcons, Seahawks and the Panthers interviewd him for HC.  We blocked the Jags from a DC interview.

In 2025 (which is this years hiring cycle) so far its the Falcons, Raiders and just today the Steelers, all for the HC position.

 

Yet as the FO has failed him somehow he has been one of the worst personnel evaluators on the defensive side of the ball.

Both things are true. The FO has set him up for failure but he is one of the worst talent evaluators in the organization and proves it every offseason.

Again, I don't think any serious NFL person would consider HC interviews as a serious measure of coaching prowess. 

[hepcat]

9 hours ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

I actually think Evero might be a more serious candidate than we realize for some of these jobs.

I would not be shocked to see him end up getting hired.

Let’s hire Mike Tomlin as DC then and poo he can replace Canales 

[hepcat]

6 hours ago, DeadpoolPanther said:

I’d be pretty shocked if he got a HC job.

 

I was shocked Rob Chudzinski got a head coaching job, Evero has been knocking on the door of becoming a head coach for a few seasons 

[hepcat]

19 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yet as the FO has failed him somehow he has been one of the worst personnel evaluators on the defensive side of the ball.

Both things are true. The FO has set him up for failure but he is one of the worst talent evaluators in the organization and proves it every offseason.

Again, I don't think any serious NFL person would consider HC interviews as a serious measure of coaching prowess. 

Dan Morgan being a defensive guy can probably scout better defensive players than in years past. Scourton and Princely seem like they’ll develop with the team. The roster was just so destitute after the Fitterer worst GM in the history of the NFL years they it will take awhile for the cupboard to be fully stocked. It’s not empty like it felt a couple years ago at least. 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Dan Morgan being a defensive guy can probably scout better defensive players than in years past. Scourton and Princely seem like they’ll develop with the team. The roster was just so destitute after the Fitterer worst GM in the history of the NFL years they it will take awhile for the cupboard to be fully stocked. It’s not empty like it felt a couple years ago at least. 

I think it's more empty than some will admit. But I also attribute some of that to Evero's piss poor talent evaluation and personnel management.

I am not a believer in Morgan but Fitterer is a bar that hopefully will never be lowered.

[hepcat]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think it's more empty than some will admit. But I also attribute some of that to Evero's piss poor talent evaluation and personnel management.

I am not a believer in Morgan but Fitterer is a bar that hopefully will never be lowered.

I wasn’t a believer until I saw how the rookie class contributed this year so give Morgan credit, he did very well with the roster in 2025. He drafted the likely offensive rookie of the year. He also made shrewd moves like trading for Mike Jackson last year too.

If Morgan has another draft like 2025, the Panthers will no doubt be in the mix for the playoffs again. From the sound of it they’re targeting pass rushers so that might make the defense better by default if he hits there. Maybe the addition of Tillis helped too, but this was the first draft I wasn’t left thinking a 12 year old playing madden could do a better job. 

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I wasn’t a believer until I saw how the rookie class contributed this year so give Morgan credit, he did very well with the roster in 2025. He drafted the likely offensive rookie of the year. He also made shrewd moves like trading for Mike Jackson last year too.

If Morgan has another draft like 2025, the Panthers will no doubt be in the mix for the playoffs again. From the sound of it they’re targeting pass rushers so that might make the defense better by default if he hits there. Maybe the addition of Tillis helped too, but this was the first draft I wasn’t left thinking a 12 year old playing madden could do a better job. 

Morgan was also responsible for one of the worst drafts in franchise history with that 2024 draft. 

I think it's some of both. We have to hope he has another 2025 caliber offseason in 2026.