Bucky Brooks eats humble pie. You want a couple of slices?

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, TD alt said:

You gotta give me a link or something. Plenty of stuff that's "reported" turns out to be more speculation than substantiation.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5334576/2024/03/11/carolina-panthers-brian-burns-defense/

 

Morgan was second in command behind Scott Fitterer in 2022 when the Panthers rejected the Rams’ offer just days after trading All-Pro running back Christian McCaffrey to the San Francisco 49ers. The lone dissenting voice was former salary cap and contracts executive Samir Suleiman, who believed the Panthers should take the picks for Burns, according to three sources familiar with the discussions.

 

 

Again I ask, who got fired?

Edited 1 hour ago by mrcompletely11

[electro's horse]

What does this have to do with Bucky brooks 

[TD alt]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5334576/2024/03/11/carolina-panthers-brian-burns-defense/

 

Morgan was second in command behind Scott Fitterer in 2022 when the Panthers rejected the Rams’ offer just days after trading All-Pro running back Christian McCaffrey to the San Francisco 49ers. The lone dissenting voice was former salary cap and contracts executive Samir Suleiman, who believed the Panthers should take the picks for Burns, according to three sources familiar with the discussions.

 

 

Again I ask, who got fired?

I mean, I guess I can see why you're saying what you're saying, but it's not that smoking gun that I was looking for. I mean, what do we expect the assistant to say? I'm sure that he wanted to keep his job. The guy that didn't keep his mouth shut got fired. I will admit that it's not a good look. The thing is though, everyone makes bad calls. If Morgan was against the trade, it was a bad call in my opinion, but on the other hand he probably wanted to keep Burns and work out a deal. 

[TD alt]

4 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

What does this have to do with Bucky brooks 

You obviously didn't hit the link. I am quoting Bucky Brooks, as I stated.

[electro's horse]

6 minutes ago, TD alt said:

You obviously didn't hit the link. I am quoting Bucky Brooks, as I stated.

Yeah but it’s a thread ostensibly about Brian burns doing well as a justification to sign a different guy. Kinda clashes ya know? Comes across as a little pissy

just saying you could have workshopped the structure more to clarify the topic and streamline the thought process and that service is the kind of thing im hopeful my posting consulting service will provide.

we’re still in fundraising mode and my DMs are open if anyone wants to get on the ground floor of this. Also accepting resumes. 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Yeah we should never trade home grown pro bowl talent no matter what people on this board say. Burns and the CMC trade both turned out to be bad for us and I would take both on the team right now in a heartbeat. You can’t tell me we don’t miss someone who can get double digit sacks.

You should absolutely trade any home grown, pro bowl talent for 2 firsts and a second.

Everything after that disastrous mistake was inevitability.

Also extremely glad not to be paying Brian Burns. He would not be producing in this defense and we would all be furious about it.

[TD alt]

8 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Yeah but it’s a thread ostensibly about Brian burns doing well as a justification to sign a different guy. Kinda clashes ya know? Comes across as a little pissy

just saying you could have workshopped the structure more to clarify the topic and streamline the thought process and that service is the kind of thing im hopeful my posting consulting service will provide.

we’re still in fundraising mode and my DMs are open if anyone wants to get on the ground floor of this. Also accepting resumes. 

Nah, it's really about some people trying to downplay Burns and Lloyd. All thatcs stated pretty clearly. 

There are lots of different perspectives, and I am not one to complain about the tentacles of a thread growing and spreading out where they may. 

[TD alt]

And FWIW, Mike Kaye Listed Devin Lloyd under possible Free Agents

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article313976800.html

[WUnderhill]

Burns quit on this team, was a liability against the run, and even the one thing he did well (pass rushing) he only had 1 double digit sack season. He wanted way more money than his PLAY was worth. It really doesn’t matter what he is doing now, the only mistake was not trading him when the Rams offered. Even if one time a guy like Burns goes to another team (with 2 other top 5 pick pass rushers and Dexter Lawrence, mind you) and does what he SHOULD have been doing here all along to earn the contract he was demanding, it’s bad business in the long run over many players to pay those guys when they haven’t earned it yet (Jaycee Horn is unfortunately looking like a prime example).

[kungfoodude]

12 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Burns quit on this team, was a liability against the run, and even the one thing he did well (pass rushing) he only had 1 double digit sack season. He wanted way more money than his PLAY was worth. It really doesn’t matter what he is doing now, the only mistake was not trading him when the Rams offered. Even if one time a guy like Burns goes to another team (with 2 other top 5 pick pass rushers and Dexter Lawrence, mind you) and does what he SHOULD have been doing here all along to earn the contract he was demanding, it’s bad business in the long run over many players to pay those guys when they haven’t earned it yet (Jaycee Horn is unfortunately looking like a prime example).

He didn't quit on us. He was just not effective in Evero's defense, which limits pass rushers. Umanmielen was correct in what he said/implied, IMO. Scheme is a bigger problem than pass rush talent here. It limits pass rushers.

He will always be weak in rush defense.

[electro's horse]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He didn't quit on us. He was just not effective in Evero's defense, which limits pass rushers. Umanmielen was correct in what he said/implied, IMO. Scheme is a bigger problem than pass rush talent here. It limits pass rushers.

He will always be weak in rush defense.

Panthers don’t have an nfl caliber linebacker or a pass rusher to speak of and their second string would fail to make other teams practice squads but if only evero would this use One Weird Trick we’d be the 1999 ravens 

[PNW_PantherMan]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He didn't quit on us. He was just not effective in Evero's defense, which limits pass rushers. Umanmielen was correct in what he said/implied, IMO. Scheme is a bigger problem than pass rush talent here. It limits pass rushers.

He will always be weak in rush defense.

He'll always be a luxury piece, and if he's priced like a cornerstone he isn't worth it.

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Panthers don’t have an nfl caliber linebacker or a pass rusher to speak of and their second string would fail to make other teams practice squads but if only evero would this use One Weird Trick we’d be the 1999 ravens 

I think people drastically underestimate how bad Canales and Evero are at personnel management and talent evaluation.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Yeah we should never trade home grown pro bowl talent no matter what people on this board say. Burns and the CMC trade both turned out to be bad for us and I would take both on the team right now in a heartbeat. You can’t tell me we don’t miss someone who can get double digit sacks.

Oh, we should've traded him. We just should've traded him to the Rams for their offer the year before.