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5 hours ago, jasonluckydog said:

Some QBs take several years to become a good starting QB. Sadly this league has no patience, like they did in the past. Aaron Rodgers, Mike Vick never really saw any playing time their rookie years. They sat back and watched a professional QB. Left out Jake Delhomme. Now every once in a while you get a guy in his rookie year that blows poo up like Cam but that is not common.

Don’t forget about the current packers QB.  
 

The flip side is teams see QBs like Stroud, Williams, Maye, Nix and others taking their teams to the playoffs in year 1 or 2, it’s a crap shoot

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And Stroud ended the year on a horrible note, with 10-12 turnovers in his last five games.  Just goes to show that unless you have one of the truly elite qb's (and there are maybe 3-4 of those in the entire league, you have to have the right combination of talent around the qb, and the right coaching staff to truly know what you have.     

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On 1/27/2026 at 10:05 PM, Davidson Deac II said:

And Stroud ended the year on a horrible note, with 10-12 turnovers in his last five games.  Just goes to show that unless you have one of the truly elite qb's (and there are maybe 3-4 of those in the entire league, you have to have the right combination of talent around the qb, and the right coaching staff to truly know what you have.     

This 100 percent.

No matter how good a QB is coming out of college, they can't make up for the other 52 guys on the roster or the 20 or so coaching staff members. And the higher the pick, the worse situation they are often getting into. 

I still contend that we're only now beginning to get a decent groundwork to BEGIN evaluating Bryce and his potential or lack thereof.

 

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1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

This 100 percent.

No matter how good a QB is coming out of college, they can't make up for the other 52 guys on the roster or the 20 or so coaching staff members. And the higher the pick, the worse situation they are often getting into. 

I still contend that we're only now beginning to get a decent groundwork to BEGIN evaluating Bryce and his potential or lack thereof.

 

this is where I am. I can't say that he is the guy yet. But I also can't say that he isn't. This team is still missing a lot of pieces, and is very young at key positions and coaches. 

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After he returned from Injury under Wilks, I saw a different QB, we were calling him Cam Darnold

Even before his Minnesota success, I wish we kept him(and Wilks), and think we could have built a special team around him, I even would have preferred him over Stroud

If he wins, he will get to make 3 seperate NFL fanbases wallow in regret watching him raise the Lombardi

You deserve it Sam!!!, now you will be the ghost in everyone else's nightmares 

 

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2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

This 100 percent.

No matter how good a QB is coming out of college, they can't make up for the other 52 guys on the roster or the 20 or so coaching staff members. And the higher the pick, the worse situation they are often getting into. 

I still contend that we're only now beginning to get a decent groundwork to BEGIN evaluating Bryce and his potential or lack thereof.

 

Good lord. 

 You don’t take a guy at 1:1 that takes 3 or 4 years to show you something. 

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26 minutes ago, Day1PanthersFan said:

After he returned from Injury under Wilks, I saw a different QB, we were calling him Cam Darnold

Even before his Minnesota success, I wish we kept him(and Wilks), and think we could have built a special team around him, I even would have preferred him over Stroud

If he wins, he will get to make 3 seperate NFL fanbases wallow in regret watching him raise the Lombardi

You deserve it Sam!!!, now you will be the ghost in everyone else's nightmares 

 

I am with you. I thought he was close under Wilks. And not the problem.  
 

That year they fuged it all up. There was no need to bring Mayfield in and muddy stuff up like that.  It served neither player. Just counter productive,  Neither got the work they needed.  
 

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20 minutes ago, strato said:

Good lord. 

 You don’t take a guy at 1:1 that takes 3 or 4 years to show you something. 

I mean, if you could tell before he ever took a snap... ammiright? 

Reality, my friend, shows a massive history of the best QBs taking time to come up to speed. Those that didn't are very, very rare.

Manning, Rogers, Manning, Young, Montana, Stabler, Bradshaw, Staubach, Favre ... the list of those that took a few years to either get off the bench or make it on the field just goes on and on. The list of those thrown into the fire and just getting burned up is even longer.

There's no magic crystal ball. There's just good coaching, patience and a helluva lot of luck in these picks.

 

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27 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I mean, if you could tell before he ever took a snap... ammiright? 

Reality, my friend, shows a massive history of the best QBs taking time to come up to speed. Those that didn't are very, very rare.

Manning, Rogers, Manning, Young, Montana, Stabler, Bradshaw, Staubach, Favre ... the list of those that took a few years to either get off the bench or make it on the field just goes on and on. The list of those thrown into the fire and just getting burned up is even longer.

There's no magic crystal ball. There's just good coaching, patience and a helluva lot of luck in these picks.

 

I am familiar with all those players. Whether they took years to develop into their mature versions, they showed what they had early on. 

The kid is still a bottom third QB after three seasons. There are many of us who did see that coming and are not surprised.  

The cold truth is he elevates no one. He is more dependent on having things built up around him than should be expected from a legit 1.1 player. And we are still in a hole because of that 2023 decision. 
 

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