Extend Icky...

[PanthersNCSU]

Best case for Ickey right now might be to take over at a Guard spot anyway, or come back as the 6th offensive lineman. I love Ickey and hope he comes back strong, but the odds aren't in his favor at all.

Signing him to anything right now is how bad teams stay bad. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

Not after the injury he suffered. Gotta see how he does when he comes back (probably the 2027 season) to see how his burst and lower body balance/strength looks before even thinking about an extension

[strato]

JR gave TD a chance to come back. I would be in favor of some type of creative way to give him a path to getting a chance here.

This is complicated because of where he is in the contract ‘cycle’. 
We are on the hook for a lot of money this year. If there was a way to free some up by adding a (much) smaller amount to the deal and having it extend an extra year to allow him to try to come back, as was proposed earlier?
 

I am not bullish on his prospects but would be good with exploring that approach. 

 

[chknwing]

3 hours ago, Lame Duck said:

@chknwing

 

Wow

[Khyber53]

First off, you never make your team better by getting a player over a barrel on contract negotiations. Kills the locker room.

And you don't negotiate until you know what both sides have down the road. Otherwise, someone gets screwed. And that kills the locker room and/or the cap.

Stay put, wait it out and see what we've got in the month and a half before the draft. A lot can happen between now and then.

 

[strato]

9 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

First off, you never make your team better by getting a player over a barrel on contract negotiations. Kills the locker room.

And you don't negotiate until you know what both sides have down the road. Otherwise, someone gets screwed. And that kills the locker room and/or the cap.

Stay put, wait it out and see what we've got in the month and a half before the draft. A lot can happen between now and then.

 

We won’t have any real sense of his viability until the weather is cold, at the earliest. 
So you have to address the near term as if he is done. With maybe a little hedging. Moton’s exit being not too far off allows that because we can apply this year’s stopgap to that position. 
 

People are saying if he is diminished he be a guard, but if his athleticism is degraded to the point that he can’t be an OT, can he really just ‘be a guard’?

This is a tough one. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

24 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

First off, you never make your team better by getting a player over a barrel on contract negotiations. Kills the locker room.

And you don't negotiate until you know what both sides have down the road. Otherwise, someone gets screwed. And that kills the locker room and/or the cap.

Stay put, wait it out and see what we've got in the month and a half before the draft. A lot can happen between now and then.

 

I don't know that doing an extension to get some cap relief would be having a player over a barrel. At this time, his recovery is unknown. An extension as previously described would give cap relief for us, time for Icky to fully recover without rushing back, and time to evaluate him once he does. If he is good to go, another extension reflecting that evaluation can always be done. I don't think that would destroy a locker room. I think it shows we're willing to working with players and put them and the team in a favorable position while recovering from major injury. This isn't a common situation with a major injury at the 5th year extension. I think it actually could sit well with agents and players that we take care of players. 

[Lame Duck]

1 hour ago, chknwing said:

Wow

Good days eh?  Such a blast.  Boo, Riot, MadHatter, Igo would all swing by.  We were the early birds.

Edited 3 hours ago by Lame Duck

[strato]

32 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I don't know that doing an extension to get some cap relief would be having a player over a barrel. At this time, his recovery is unknown. An extension as previously described would give cap relief for us, time for Icky to fully recover without rushing back, and time to evaluate him once he does. If he is good to go, another extension reflecting that evaluation can always be done. I don't think that would destroy a locker room. I think it shows we're willing to working with players and put them and the team in a favorable position while recovering from major injury. This isn't a common situation with a major injury at the 5th year extension. I think it actually could sit well with agents and players that we take care of players. 

Yep. Mutually looking out, not adversarial.
It would show he wants to stay if he can come back. That is the culture we should hope to have. 
If it’s an extension that guarantee can be converted to bonus and spread out over two years on the cap. And he still gets his money this year. 

You know, with this being a 2 year path to best case recovery, you could do a deal with a nice incentive for 2027 snaps and maybe a large roster bonus for 2028. If 2027 went well, and he is trending up, you can rewrite the deal. 

I am hoping our men making the evaluations will think of this, it is a little outside the box. 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[TD alt]

6 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Genuinely do the Panthers have any famous fans outside of that basketball player?

85 in Spanish. Luke Combs is a Panthers fan also.

Edited 2 hours ago by TD alt

[Khyber53]

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I don't know that doing an extension to get some cap relief would be having a player over a barrel. At this time, his recovery is unknown. An extension as previously described would give cap relief for us, time for Icky to fully recover without rushing back, and time to evaluate him once he does. If he is good to go, another extension reflecting that evaluation can always be done. I don't think that would destroy a locker room. I think it shows we're willing to working with players and put them and the team in a favorable position while recovering from major injury. This isn't a common situation with a major injury at the 5th year extension. I think it actually could sit well with agents and players that we take care of players. 

The over the barrel part is in reference to the original post in this thread that basically argued now is the time to negotiate while his injury has him over a barrel. I think that's a terrible idea and approach to negotiating with players.

 

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, TD alt said:

85 in Spanish. Luke Combs is a Panthers fan also.

I don't know who either of those are.

[strato]

41 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

I don't know who either of those are.

I have no idea what 85 in Spanish could mean.  
Older people, Marge Helgenberger (?) the TV actress was a Panthers fan way back in the day.