Dan Morgan on the Rich Eisen show

[Jon Snow]

Just now, strato said:

I am not gonna make a claim I can’t back up and say you are wrong but I think there is obvious enthusiasm and belief from Tepper.

And that, like poo and water, flows downhill. I would bet, just guessing, that Tepper has asked what and extension would cost already.  

Its no secret that everyone likes Bryce. But that alone does not guarantee a roster spot let alone a starting role. Business is business. 

[Khaki Lackey]

1 hour ago, GOAT said:

God I really regret signing back into this forum. Maybe I'll just hangout in the Youtube comment section from now on. 

You'd like the panthers subreddit. A ton of 5'3" Bama fans telling others "you don't know ball!" if they don't think 140 passing yards is elite.

[strato]

31 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Talk about revisionist history...

Totally different situations. Did you forget that Wilkes won by playing sound defense and largely taking the ball out of the QBs hand? Donta Foreman pulled a Rico and ran over every team we played. We had an o-line of top tier run blockers, bottom tier pass blockers. We beat the Saints the last game 10-7. Darnold went 5/15 for 43 yards and 2 interceptions - and we won! Even rookie Bryce could have done that. Then all the centers and guards got hurt in 2023 and we had guys coming in off the street starting that had no business doing so. I'd bet alot of them never played another down in the NFL. Had scrubs coming in on Tuesday and starting on Sunday.

Hey there is nothing revisionist about stating a record. What’s revisionist? I have to review but I don’t remember elaborating about how those 12 games were won or lost. 

I do know exactly how the team played, schemed and won (and lost) that Wilks stretch of games.  I believe, without looking, he had to use PJ early because Sam wasn’t ready. An ankle I think. 
And Wilks slow played that and slow played Darnold n his return to protect him or his psyche or both in that return. He wanted to build Sam’s confidence. Did it by using a heavy dose of Foreman and Chuba. 
Heavy run.  But we had deep balls and passing too. Actual old school deep balls. Things of beauty too rarely seen here since. 
 

Just thinking, how is relying on the run game for Sam any different that running Rico for plus or minus 300 yards a game to win. We hid the hell out of Bryce in some games, are you going to say that revisionist? 

[strato]

14 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Its no secret that everyone likes Bryce. But that alone does not guarantee a roster spot let alone a starting role. Business is business. 

Forgive me for being extremely pessimistic on that count. I think three years, and just the initial WTF? of it all going down in the first place has me like a battered spouse or an abused animal, flinching at any sudden movement. Afraid of the shadow of an extension. 

Edited 1 hour ago by strato

[strato]

9 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

You'd like the panthers subreddit. A ton of 5'3" Bama fans telling others "you don't know ball!" if they don't think 140 passing yards is elite.

Yeah and they count YAC that a good WR would/should have gotten to make that stretch to 200-250 yards. I have actually seen that here. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

If yall think a coach, gm, whoever.  Should do anything but support the players with the public..

Yall are just the opposite side of the same coin as the Bryce-Cult yall constantly put down.  No different.

I have no clue what else you realistically expected him to say.

[Navy_football]

23 minutes ago, strato said:

Hey there is nothing revisionist about stating a record. What’s revisionist? I have to review but I don’t remember elaborating about how those 12 games were won or lost. 

I do know exactly how the team played, schemed and won (and lost) that Wilks stretch of games.  I believe, without looking, he had to use PJ early because Sam wasn’t ready. An ankle I think. 
And Wilks slow played that and slow played Darnold n his return to protect him or his psyche or both in that return. He wanted to build Sam’s confidence. Did it by using a heavy dose of Foreman and Chuba. 
Heavy run.  But we had deep balls and passing too. Actual old school deep balls. Things of beauty too rarely seen here since. 
 

Just thinking, how is relying on the run game for Sam any different that running Rico for plus or minus 300 yards a game to win. We hid the hell out of Bryce in some games, are you going to say that revisionist? 

Darnold is definitely more of a gun slinger. I wish Bryce had some of that. Or at least attempt more deep passes instead of settling for the shorter routes. He took more shots in college. Hopefully we get to consistently see that version of him at some point.

I was responding to your post that Bryce took a 6-6 Wilkes team and made them historically bad. The o-line was different in 2023 due to injuries. The best WR was gone - the only good one they had. The coaching philosophy and game plan was different. The defense was different and a lot worse. Completely different situations. Bryce Young could have had success in that 2022 system with those players too. I mean Darnold threw for less than 200 yards a game in a much better situation than rookie Bryce. They won a game that he passed for 43 yards and 2 picks.

FYI, Baker beat out Darnold in training camp. Darnold was injured and PJ came in as the backup. They ended up demoting Baker to the scout team as a defensive lineman before trading him. Maybe they released him,  can't remember. PJ filled the gap between Baker and Darnold returning from injury. Either way, Wilkes absolutely took the games out of the QBs hands and relied on clock control offense and bend but don't break defense. Canales definitely leaned on a hot run game this year, but he never took the ball out of BYs hands. He gave him a ton of RZ and 3rd/4th down opportunities. 

[Jon Snow]

52 minutes ago, strato said:

Forgive me for being extremely pessimistic on that count. I think three years, and just the initial WTF? of it all going down in the first place has me like a battered spouse or an abused animal, flinching at any sudden movement. Afraid of the shadow of an extension. 

Ice up son. This ain't over yet.

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

Tepper does not dictate who the teams qb will be, he never did. Fitterer sold him on Young in 2022. Everyone in the building went along with it as Fitterer was supposed to know what he was doing. He's no longer he because he didn't. Dan is getting the same leeway until he proves he doesn't.

There's no conspiracy to keep Young the qb here. The only thing that's going on is the are making sure they do not kick Young to the curb too soon like they did with Darnold and Mayfield. 

This

[RJK]

8 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

We have seen Bryce get outplayed by all manner of QBs, from UDFAs to second round picks. 

If we actually scouted any QBs it would not be a difficult task to upgrade from Bryce, you guys act like he is even decent. He is one of the worst starters league wide stop making excuses. 

 

Who’s you guys? I just said Pickett might be better than him. I think Bryce is a backup qb 

[strato]

9 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Ice up son. This ain't over yet.

Well I rubbed some dirt on it and am still here just not optimistic about the future of the QB position.
Even what I had accepted as a ceiling raised to an acceptable level turned out to be a bit of a mirage, upon rewatch of the WC game.  Good plays were there yes, but some pretty bad ones too that the good ones late in the game kind of obscured. I have to downgrade that a little.  Especially after rewatching the last 4 plays. I remember the arguments about he did his job the WRs didn’t but that was really just that last muff by Coker I think it was on our final offensive play.  

To the future: I know what my level is for paying him and recommitting, but I don’t have any confidence that the team shares my high bar. 
 

But thanks for the pep talk