Gus Malzahn blasts Nawrocki (PFW)'s account of Newton

[chef17]

I resent the fact that you joined a little over 2 years ago if you're just 18 now.

I was mature for my age

[blackcatgrowl]

So what you're saying is that a guy's coach isn't the be-all, end-all on a subject, right? Nor is a draft guru's opinion or any single opinion. Gotta take a look at all you have available to you and make a decision from that.

Glad we're in agreement. :)

Be-all end-all? No. I never claimed that. Why would you assume I did?

But on a scale, a former coach's comments on character and ability, as I said in the OP, hold tremendously more weight with me, than some jackoff sports writer's opinion.

If I were to balance the two against each other ALONE, it would be:

Sports Writer 5% opinion value.

Former Coach 95% opinion value.

Why? Because Malzahn KNOWS the guy. If he didn't like him, he could have just NOT said anything or not have come to his defense.

[lightsout]

I was mature for my age

That's not what she said.

[teeray]

Don't just look at what one guy says and say "NONSENSE!" or "AH-HAH! I knew it!" but try to look behind everything you read and hear to get some sense of why things may be being said.

To me, it sounds like Newton is a bit of a uhm very confident individual (with the skills to back it up, in college at least and hopefully in the pros) who rubs some people the wrong way. On the other hand, he's very charismatic and appears to have worked very hard for the people he has worked closely with up to this point, and I have no reason to doubt that would continue. That kind of thing will definitely endear a guy to a coach, so it's no surprise they'll speak up for him.

On the other hand if you already aren't so impressed with some of what he's said and done, if you go into an interview and he seems to "put the cart before the horse" you may get majorly turned off. Maybe some people at Auburn have some not-100%-positive things to say that, when combined with other comments he's made or how he reacts to things, cause people to create opinions that may not be the most positive all the time.

Personally, I've never met the guy. I'm not going to say he's a bad leader or whatever because I don't know. I did dismiss similar concerns in the past about Clausen and I think they are a major reason why he struggled SO bad, but that doesn't mean that these ones are true about Cam.

edit: as a note, 18 year olds do make piss poor decisions often. But that doesn't mean those that do should be given tens of millions a couple years later and just expected to have improved. That's why we're doing thorough background checks on him, like we should!

You are such a buzz kill. Either hate him or hug him stop playing the middle. You and your sensibilities. Makes me sick.

In all seriousness I believe the people who have taken the time to get to know him and the people around him.

[Zod]

Hey! another Cam thread!

Said it once, I will say it again.

I would be happy if the Panthers drafted Cam. PROVIDED, the Panthers also hire a strong mentor for him, either player, coach, or consultant. I don't believe Cam has any serious character issues aside from being influenced by those around him (who of us isn't?). Therefore, make sure those around him are serious, positive, and able to help Cam stay on the straight and narrow then the sky is the limit.

To me he seems more than bright enough to run an NFL offense. I only hope he feels being drafted is not merely cashing in, but one step on the road to greatness. Of everything in his past, his dad shopping him around at colleges is of greatest concern as it speaks to motivations.

[mav1234]

hmm...

the most interesting part of all this was when Warren Moon weighed in a second time about all of this... From PFT here

And yes that recruiting scandal is still out there as far as what actually happened between Mississippi State and Auburn, and I think that story will come out in due time. And I think I know the real story of it but it’s not for me to talk about it right now.”

I wonder what the hell the "real story is" and I hope the NFL teams ahve gotten it. Most interesting is that it is still "up in the air"...

didn't feel it was worth it's own topic but yeah. I figure I'd just get flamed for posting "ANTI NEWTON RHETORIC" no matter where I put it so might as well save the people who don't give a poo about this debate another thread.

[monstercat]

I just can't believe that some of these supposedly objective fans are picking Nawrocki's unnamed sources over all the people who have known this kid for at least a year. There may be bias on both sides, but at least we know exactly one side is coming from. We have no idea where Nawrocki is getting his info.

[teeray]

hmm...

the most interesting part of all this was when Warren Moon weighed in a second time about all of this... From PFT here

I wonder what the hell the "real story is" and I hope the NFL teams ahve gotten it. Most interesting is that it is still "up in the air"...

didn't feel it was worth it's own topic but yeah. I figure I'd just get flamed for posting "ANTI NEWTON RHETORIC" no matter where I put it so might as well save the people who don't give a poo about this debate another thread.

Hater.

Probably isn't that bad if Moon is openly mentioning it but who knows.

[chef17]

That's not what she said.

Lol i admit. That was funny

[mav1234]

I just can't believe that some of these supposedly objective fans are picking Nawrocki's unnamed sources over all the people who have known this kid for at least a year. There may be bias on both sides, but at least we know exactly one side is coming from. We have no idea where Nawrocki is getting his info.

I don't know how many people are actually "picking" anything. I think the truth falls somewhere in the middle of "Pristine, Perfect Angel" and "RARARAHR HE IS WORST EVER" and it probably is pretty close to how Warren Moon explained all the entertainer/icon/third person stuff... "putting the cart before the horse" ;) Doesn't make him a bad person and doesn't mean he can't lead, but does mean it will rub some people the wrong way until he is humbled.

[Mr. Scot]

Hey! another Cam thread!

Said it once, I will say it again.

I would be happy if the Panthers drafted Cam. PROVIDED, the Panthers also hire a strong mentor for him, either player, coach, or consultant. I don't believe Cam has any serious character issues aside from being influenced by those around him (who of us isn't?). Therefore, make sure those around him are serious, positive, and able to help Cam stay on the straight and narrow then the sky is the limit.

To me he seems more than bright enough to run an NFL offense. I only hope he feels being drafted is not merely cashing in, but one step on the road to greatness. Of everything in his past, his dad shopping him around at colleges is of greatest concern as it speaks to motivations.

Pretty similar to my take, despite how it gets characterized.

I'm not half as opposed to the pick as people think, but with this crowd, if you're not 100% on board with him, you get proclaimed as hater, racist or whatever :rolleyes:

I don't want any quarterback, it isn't just Newton, but if we pick him then I'll hope they were right.

I also don't think the "signs" are as clear as some think they are, but that has to do with reading how teams speak prior to a draft. It has nothing to do with "hate".

It's amazing just how stupid some of the stuff has gotten here.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Hey! another Cam thread!

Said it once, I will say it again.

I would be happy if the Panthers drafted Cam. PROVIDED, the Panthers also hire a strong mentor for him, either player, coach, or consultant. I don't believe Cam has any serious character issues aside from being influenced by those around him (who of us isn't?). Therefore, make sure those around him are serious, positive, and able to help Cam stay on the straight and narrow then the sky is the limit.

To me he seems more than bright enough to run an NFL offense. I only hope he feels being drafted is not merely cashing in, but one step on the road to greatness. Of everything in his past, his dad shopping him around at colleges is of greatest concern as it speaks to motivations.

Thats what they did when they hired Rivera. Rivera said it himself he is a teacher of the game and he hired a staff that he knows can teach as well.

[lightsout]

hmm...

the most interesting part of all this was when Warren Moon weighed in a second time about all of this... From PFT here

I wonder what the hell the "real story is" and I hope the NFL teams ahve gotten it. Most interesting is that it is still "up in the air"...

didn't feel it was worth it's own topic but yeah. I figure I'd just get flamed for posting "ANTI NEWTON RHETORIC" no matter where I put it so might as well save the people who don't give a poo about this debate another thread.

I wouldn't make much of it. To me, he addressed the question the way he should, IMO. Being vague and not putting himself in the middle of a situation that doesn't directly involve him. To me, based on the quote you provided, Moon believes Cam is innocent and that butt-hurt boosters and/or coaches of other schools want to see him go down for not choosing them. Again, that last part is pure speculation. But the initial belief (that Moon thinks Cam is innocent of any wrong-doing on HIS part) still holds true. But, people are going to say that Moon is biased because he was tricked by Newton's charm and great smile.

[mav1234]

The thing is, Cam has already been absolved of any wrong doing by the NCAA so why say the real story is yet to come out? Just weird.

I'm pretty positive he knew exactly what his father was doing, had no choice in the matter, and could do nothing but go along with it really, then tried his best to cover it up with the NCAA... but who knows, maybe he really didn't know.

Only care about it because it matters if he lied or not to teams and to a much lesser extent to the media.