If you believe QBs need to sit in order to be successful, you're basically a retard.

[bleys]

it if was best then wouldn't teams do it more?

Peyton, Ryan, and Freeman would be better if they sat? Or is getting out there early just part of the learning process so they will be legit QBs sooner for their team?

no one is arguing if it's possible or not..

[TheRealDeal]

No one should mention Freeman with Peyton and Ryan right now. No one should mention Ryan with Petyon.

They are on 3 different levels.

[frash.exe]

lol Brock Lesnar, the esteemed philosopher

[bleys]

Some fans need to realize what exactly is meant by the phrase "a player needs to be able to adapt to the speed of the NFL." I think most think that it's about the actual speed of the players. While that is very much is a part of it, the speed of the NFL has so much more to do with the ability of the players to process information, make a decission, apply that decission to your body, and then use that speed and power to execute.

Of all the QBs in this year's draft, Dalton actually is the QB that would have a quick translation to the "speed of the NFL" in my opinion. Newton, Gabbert, Mallet and Locker all seem to have a higher learning curve. They just have a much higher precieved ceiling and thus the reason they are projected to go in the 1st round and Dalton is a 2nd/3rd rounder.

And this does apply to every position. QB is no harder to be a starter as a rookie than any other position. If you know the information and have the mental capabilities to process that information, you can have success as a rookie at any position. QBs in general have more information than other positions at a vertern level but rookie QB (Ryan, Flacco, Rothslinberger ect) were all limited in the amount of information that were given. Their success came from the same mental capabilities that made Jon Beason had as a rookie.

1st part..I'm sure most people understand that. for those who didn't, thanks for clarifying..

2nd... couldn't disagree more.

[teeray]

There are a lot of things I consider.

I like to look at who does what with what. To steal a line from the famous Brock Lesnar, can they make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t?

How much are they asked to do? Does their performance change dramatically when they don't have great support? How good is their defense? What division do they play in? How long have they done it? What type of throws do they make? Do their receivers and backs do a lot of the work? Do you have to game plan specifically for that player?

I can't think of everything right now but that's probably a good start

That would mean Tom Brady would not have become "elite" until 2004!! Should we take those 2 super bowls away from his resume since he was a game manager at that point??

[bleys]

People can knock Rothlisberger all they want. His stats have never been pretty, everyone knows that. So to all those who like to point out how SB stats being so low, it's convenient to do as you ignore what he is really known for: winning football games.

[teeray]

People can knock Rothlisberger all they want. His stats have never been pretty, everyone knows that. So to all those who like to point out how SB stats being so low, it's convenient to do as you ignore what he is really known for: winning football games.

[TheRealDeal]

That would mean Tom Brady would not have become "elite" until 2004!! Should we take those 2 super bowls away from his resume since he was a game manager at that point??

No that would not mean that

[teeray]

No that would not mean that

Yeah huh.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Just another example of Smoot pulling a nice big one out of his ass....and then trying to pass it off as an intelligent post.

Nothing to see here...move along.

MadHatter dismissing a well-thought out argument without adding anything to the discussion.

LITERALLY. Nothing to see here.

[mav1234]

I used to think Big Ben was elite... but the Steelers went 3-1 without him, barely throwing the ball. he's pretty clutch, a great player, but I wouldn't put him elite yet.

[pantherclaw]

Big ben a game manager?

Scot, you couldn't be further from the truth, my friend.

Defination of a game manager, is a qb that makes mostly safe/low risk throws. Taking what the defense gives. Check downs. Throwing the ball away.

The isn't big ben at all. He breaks tackles, extending the play, and makes big plays. That is an all pro qb. If he was smaller, and was a third round pick..he'd be called joe montana.

Now obviously I don't hold big ben as highly as joe montana...but their styles are very similar.

When ben came into the league, yes he was managing the games as much as he could. After he developed within their system, he evolved. He is a big part the steelers continue to win games, even when their defense isn't playing well.

[4Corners]

2008: It was either Otah or Omiyale.

Yeah, that Dbag had two games for us, and the Bears signed him to a nice contract.

I heard Bear fans HATE this guy. LOL....don't know what it is with Chicago wanting our trash? Surprised they didn't sign Delhomme.

[Squirrel]

We're going to be running an offensive system where timing is extremely important.

That is not conducive to a rookie starter.

I dont see that happening. It will be just like Fox ball except we will be throwing more to Shockey. It will be perfect for a Rookie QB look deep nothing there checkdown with alot of running.