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Draft Nervousness

Mr. Scot

By Mr. Scot,
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raleigh-panther Grand Master

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I say, just enjoy the moment.

The Panthers are relevant again and the team's name is actually mentioned on National TV.

Unless they win a few playoff games, they won't be relevant again.

My beef with Hurney is always three fold:

a) the often said never addressing the most important position in football even when he knew Delhomme's arm was shot...and let's face it, they had to know.

b) taking players at one position and trying to make them something else. If the team want's a LB, take a LB. Don't waste 3-4 years for a safety in college to become good at another position (Thomas Davis).

c) stop trading away future draft picks. Just stop it. Stop it now. It has not one time paid dividends for them...and it's too soon to talk about Otah being a success. A player is only a success when they are on the field and he had injury concerns in college and they STILL drafted him.

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I can agree to a point, and I looked at that. But on the flipside, can you honestly say that taking a guy like Trevor Pryce, Tiki Barber or - more recently - Mohamed Massaquoi or Andy Levitre wouldn't have made the team better?

There were guys available who would be better than Brown and would have filled needs. It would have just meant filling the other needs via different means.

Sure there were guys who would have filled a need at other positions but we had other guys at those positions who we felt would fill the need. THe whole idea of drafting BPA irregardless of need is fine as long as there are no glaring holes and you are looking for the best guy you can. But like this year, there are glaring holes particularly at QB and DT. It is hard to pick up a LB like Miller even if he might be the BPA while ignoring more obvious needs.

You can fill positions a number of ways and if we had free agency before the draft, we might make different choices than we are likely to make. But given the way things are shaking out, it is hard to not find whoever you can in the draft to at least try and shore the positions you may struggle to find elsewhere.

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The Panthers under Hurney have never drafted pure BPA.

They factor need in, though they attempt to do what the Steelers do and backfill preemptively.

Many folks wondered why we drafted Connor in the third when we really had a good core of LBs at the time. We had other bigger needs but he was considered a steal at the time. I think he was considered a BPA pick almost exclusively. Interestingly we ended up needing him sooner than some folks thought.

I think that most GMs say they are picking BPA but it usually the BPA at a position of current need or one anticipated in the near future.

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I am nervous about this draft as well.At the number one pick the math coupled with the postonal need says you should pick a qb or an elite DE. Not to say that Newton and Gabbert want succeed ,both have the physcial attributes but that alone does not = success in the NFL.At the other positions I think at the DT,CB,and WR are much easier to address in FA .Bowers dropping due to injuries is not helping as well.

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I say, just enjoy the moment.

The Panthers are relevant again and the team's name is actually mentioned on National TV.

Unless they win a few playoff games, they won't be relevant again.

My beef with Hurney is always three fold:

a) the often said never addressing the most important position in football even when he knew Delhomme's arm was shot...and let's face it, they had to know.

b) taking players at one position and trying to make them something else. If the team want's a LB, take a LB. Don't waste 3-4 years for a safety in college to become good at another position (Thomas Davis).

c) stop trading away future draft picks. Just stop it. Stop it now. It has not one time paid dividends for them...and it's too soon to talk about Otah being a success. A player is only a success when they are on the field and he had injury concerns in college and they STILL drafted him.

I could not agree more.

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THe nervousness for me is not about who we draft but how we develop them. Given that Rivera hired a bunch of former players who are all known to be good teachers I am optimistic. Still they are largely unknown to us. I don't worry about Newton if we draft him. He has proven in 2 systems back to back that he picks things very quickly and can perform at a high level. The question is how good is Chud and Shula in teaching him what he needs to know and briniging him along at a good pace. And of course nervous that this lockout will drag on which gives the coaches less time to work with him in general.

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As for the original post, and me trusting Hurney in the draft:

Personally, I wouldn't trust Hurney to pick our laundry detergent and get it right, certainly don't trust him in an NFL draft, and haven't for about 5 years.

I would like to see him try to pick out the right sanitary napkin.Its been 25 years and I cant do it.

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Like others have already stated, every team hits and misses. It's more difficult to notice the busts on a good team, as it doesn't affect theom as much as other teams trying to bbuild their talent.

Once again, the picks are not just hurney's decisions. It is a group decision. Can't give all the blame/credit just to hurney.

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