Preseason Impressions: The Quarterbacks

[Panthro]

Good thing we have a QB who can evade the pass rush

[CRA]

You don't get it. We are not talking about busting. We are talking about being great.

For every Rivers and Rodgers there is Aikman and Manning. I get it, it can be done both ways. But when you invest the 1st overall pick in a QB you need to take every precaution to make sure they can do well.

Again it's just an opinion, but throwing a rook QB out there on a bad team is a terrible mistake. Your opinion is different.

if you look at what is around Cam.....the new scheme is the only excuse. They will get that part down soon.

The talent around him is just as good as any rookie that has started in recent history. They just need a QB to develop and remotely function well for them as a whole to operate.

Just looking at what surrounds a QB....explain to me how Ryan's, Sanchez's, Flacco's, etc. offensive talent around them made it more likely for them to succeed. Carolina just needs to start playing Panther football. Cam isn't doomed if he plays.

Freeman when he started as a rookie had much less around him (granted he didn't start week 1 and had OTAs....but Cam is not going to be doomed over 16 games.

Either he can or can't hack it. Not saying he will be great this year but the kid will either show he can play or can't on this level.

[Jackofalltrades]

Good thing we have a QB who can evade the pass rush

But how often? Vick can tell you how hard it is to evade a pass rush with a broken leg.

[CRA]

When you look at the line play in the preseason games so far, do you see anything That even remotely resembles good pass protection?

No I don't. Passing an absurd number of times is going to make the pass protection look even worse for an OL built to run.

Running the ball and being effective will help the OL's ability to pass protect.

Goes back to my point about the absurd pass/run ratio with Newton could be blurring everything. When Carolina runs well....they pass protect better.

Go back to last year, when was the worst pass protection? early on when the run game was in neutral.

[panther4life]

But how often? Vick can tell you how hard it is to evade a pass rush with a broken leg.

Newton is not nearly as frail as Vick

[Jackofalltrades]

Newton is not nearly as frail as Vick

You're basing this on what?

Vick took an absurd amount of brutal hits early in his career, I think calling him frail is pretty silly.

[panther4life]

You're basing this on what?

Vick took an absurd amount of brutal hits early in his career, I think calling him frail is pretty silly.

I was mostly kidding but since you asked Newtons more built like Rothlisberger while Vicks built more like:jc:

[Jackofalltrades]

I was mostly kidding but since you asked Newtons more built like Rothlisberger while Vicks built more like:jc:

I don't think it matters. Dan Morgan was built like a brick poohouse and was hurt more than he was on the field. Much smaller guys have taken just as much punishment and come out unscathed.

Either way, let's just hope Newton doesn't take enough punishment that we have to find out the hard way. I didn't want to draft him, but I support him now and don't want to see him killed prematurely.

[panther4life]

I don't think it matters. Dan Morgan was built like a brick poohouse and was hurt more than he was on the field. Much smaller guys have taken just as much punishment and come out unscathed.

Either way, let's just hope Newton doesn't take enough punishment that we have to find out the hard way. I didn't want to draft him, but I support him now and don't want to see him killed prematurely.

I have noticed this and applaud you for such.

[Mr. Scot]

You're basing this on what?

Vick took an absurd amount of brutal hits early in his career, I think calling him frail is pretty silly.

If you look at the stats, you'll find that quarterbacks like Vick actually tend to take more sacks (and hits) than pocket passers do.

[Jackofalltrades]

If you look at the stats, you'll find that quarterbacks like Vick actually tend to take more sacks (and hits) than pocket passers do.

Not arguing that, just that frailty shouldn't be part of the conversation when it comes to Vick and we really haven't seen Newton take enough hits to make a determination.

His size will certainly help him out.

I'm just in an arguementative mood.

[Snake]

If you look at the stats, you'll find that quarterbacks like Vick actually tend to take more sacks (and hits) than pocket passers do.

I would hope most people would want Cam to turn out like McNabb not Vick.

[Mr. Scot]

Not arguing that, just that frailty shouldn't be part of the conversation when it comes to Vick and we really haven't seen Newton take enough hits to make a determination.

His size will certainly help him out.

I'm just in an arguementative mood.

That's because you're a poo poo head :sosp:

(oops...crap) :eek:

I would hope most people would want Cam to turn out like McNabb not Vick.

I want him to be better than both.

[Jackofalltrades]

BANT!

I definitely want Cam to be more like McNabb than Vick, just because McNabb could pick you apart from the pocket and still run when needed. Vick was a sub standard passer and a phenomenal athlete. Cam, IMO, can be a solid passer and a good, although less dynamic, runner.