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A Mid-Season look back at Free Agency.

Kurb

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Chris johnson

chris johnson is the only offense the titans have. is he sucking right now? hell yes....but the titans have nothing else but him.

carolina switched to a pass first/heavy offense and run the ball just enough for a single back with a decent backup.

williams has become one dimensional in this offense. that's why stewart sees twice the playing time over williams.

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chris johnson is the only offense the titans have. is he sucking right now? hell yes....but the titans have nothing else but him.

Chris Johnson is so horrendous that they had Nate Washington, a WR, run the ball in a goal-to-go situation.

And he actually scored a TD, which ties him with CJ.

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We were coming off a league worst 2-14 season and had the 2nd most cap space. The team with the most cap space was that Bucs and their owner never lets them spend anywhere near their full cap so effectively we had more money to spend than any other team. The free agent market was extremely deep because the lockout limited the free agent class the previous year.

You add all that up and you think the FO would emphasize bringing in outside talent but our biggest outside free agent acquisition was Olinda Mare, a kicker. The huge deals we gave out to our own players were NOT the norm. There were cheap/reasonable signings all around the league, even to bad/small market teams.

We gave a guy coming off 2 ACL tears, that was already under contract for 2011, a 35 million dollar extension. Now TD is owed an 8 million dollar option bonus this offseason and if we cut him instead we take a 5.6 million dollar cap hit from his signing bonus.

Charles Johnson, yeah I'm glad we resigned him but we offered him roughly $20 million more than what Atlanta did. There was no negotiation, the first deal that was offered was the deal that was signed. CJ was quoted as saying he was "shocked" by the offer.

Right now we're tied with the 5th worst record in the league, yet we have more money against the cap for 2012 and 2013 than any other team. And the amount of money handed out in signing bonuses severely limits our options heading into the offseason. You can't cut or trade any of these players without taking a cap hit. You can't restructure a signing bonus either, there's really no way of getting around it.

These are all facts so spin them however you want but I tend to think a FO that is making all the right and necessary moves, stacks the team with talent and properly manages their cap space wouldn't be sitting here at 2-6. Not with a rookie QB coming in playing the way he has.

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We were coming off a league worst 2-14 season and had the 2nd most cap space. The team with the most cap space was that Bucs and their owner never lets them spend anywhere near their full cap so effectively we had more money to spend than any other team. The free agent market was extremely deep because the lockout limited the free agent class the previous year.

You add all that up and you think the FO would emphasize bringing in outside talent but our biggest outside free agent acquisition was Olinda Mare, a kicker. The huge deals we gave out to our own players were NOT the norm. There were cheap/reasonable signings all around the league, even to bad/small market teams.

We gave a guy coming off 2 ACL tears, that was already under contract for 2011, a 35 million dollar extension. Now TD is owed an 8 million dollar option bonus this offseason and if we cut him instead we take a 5.6 million dollar cap hit from his signing bonus.

Charles Johnson, yeah I'm glad we resigned him but we offered him roughly $20 million more than what Atlanta did. There was no negotiation, the first deal that was offered was the deal that was signed. CJ was quoted as saying he was "shocked" by the offer.

Right now we're tied with the 5th worst record in the league, yet we have more money against the cap for 2012 and 2013 than any other team. And the amount of money handed out in signing bonuses severely limits our options heading into the offseason. You can't cut or trade any of these players without taking a cap hit. You can't restructure a signing bonus either, there's really no way of getting around it.

These are all facts so spin them however you want but I tend to think a FO that is making all the right and necessary moves, stacks the team with talent and properly manages their cap space wouldn't be sitting here at 2-6. Not with a rookie QB coming in playing the way he has.

Good job tying all your rants and bitching into one nice post. It is your spinning of the facts with clear omissions like while we have the most committed under the cap in future years, we have the most key players tied up at those positions as well so of course we have a bigger cap figure. How about Johnson was considered one of the biggest free agents out there this year and a player we had to sign. If we had offered the same money as Atlanta he would be playing for them now. Given how bad we sucked last year we had to over pay to get anyone to come here or stay. As for Davis the old CBA allowed you to cut a player by June and stretch out the cap hit for 2 years or 2.8 a year. I don't know enough about the new one to know if that still applies. Given we usually have 10-15 million of dead cap space, that figure isn't out of the ordinary.

And if you really think that this record this year at 2-6 is an indication of where we will be in a year or two given the talent we have locked up, then we have nothing to discuss. Get back with me next year when we are making a playoff run and Hurney looks like a genius.

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Chris Johnson is so horrendous that they had Nate Washington, a WR, run the ball in a goal-to-go situation.

And he actually scored a TD, which ties him with CJ.

in the end, chris johnson's contract was dictated by williams's.

minnesota was smart to extend adrian peterson's contract instead of waiting like originally planned. his contract put a lid on what would have been a ridiculous pay scale set for rbs around the league based on what carolina paid williams.

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Many seem to blame DWill for no Barry Cofield.

No doubt Cofield would have been money well spent in Carolina. But Cofield was signed by Washington to a contract that only 12.5 million is guaranteed. I think he counts 6 mill against their cap this year. Would have been far better to draft a field goal kicker and find the extra bucks to land Cofield than to sign Mare long term imho.

And again, 21 mill of Dwill's "5 year contract" is guaranteed and he'll be long gone in 3 years I believe.

NFL contracts are rarely what they appear, if Hurney and Rivera really wanted Cofield in the first place I think they would have gotten him. But we are all aware of Hurney's infatuation with and unfortunate habit of drafting running backs with our #1 picks. Taking DWill, then Stewart with our #1s in the space of 3 draft years was a serious head up ass move.

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