The Season Is Over

[Lumps]

Hardy is perfectly fine, he is only in his second year, which is improved from his decent rookie year. That means he is due to explode next year. No way you give up a chance on him doing that, he has the potential. We gave Brown the time, but no Hardy?

[carpanfan96]

Hardy is perfectly fine, he is only in his second year, which is improved from his decent rookie year. That means he is due to explode next year. No way you give up a chance on him doing that, he has the potential. We gave Brown the time, but no Hardy?

I said I liked Hardy, but with him it's all mental against the run. Here I'll give you some information.

Hardy's best Run stop percentage is around 75-80 percent while Brown's was 89%. Going even further there first two season stat lines are very similar, the only thing that Hardy did more was tip passes. Other then that the amounts of sacks, QB pressures and so forth are very similar.

[PantherBrew]

Don't mind NJPanther threads when he isn't acting like Schefter.

Opinions > Sources.

[Urrymonster]

Hardy is perfectly fine, he is only in his second year, which is improved from his decent rookie year. That means he is due to explode next year. No way you give up a chance on him doing that, he has the potential. We gave Brown the time, but no Hardy?

Pretty much, it's as if people want finished articles in their first year starting. As a pass rusher Greg Hardy has been every bit of Johnsons equal, which is even more impressive consider the non-existent pass rush from our DTs.

Take Jared Allen for example. Near record setting season, but had the same amount of pressures and hits as our two DEs - the difference was he was able to convert more into sacks. Looking for reasons why (other than playing the Bears twice), quickly points to pressure from the middle:

Kevin Williams

5 sacks

7 hits

25 pressures

compared to our catalogue of DTs

McClain, Fua, Neblett, Fields, Kearse, Shirley and Nwagbuo

7 sacks

5 hits

26 pressures

Williams didn't even have a 'unique' season with over half the teams having at least one player at DT who produced that kind of season.

[tjstevens58]

We were exposed yesterday that our safeties have NO ability to cover good receivers. The zone pass defense is not working. We still have issues at the DL and we need our speed back at LB. However, that being said, I love this team for their heart and the "No-Quit" mentality. I hope this team stays and grows together and we will have multiple SB wins!

[JawnyBlaze]

Well its really early to make solid predictions. However, this is how I think it should look like:

OFFENSE:

WR1: Steve Smith - David Gettis - Kealoha Pilares

LT: Jordan Gross - Lee Ziemba

LG: Travelle Wharton

C: Ryan Kalil - Zack Williams

RG: Geoff Hangartner - Geoff Schwartz

RT: (FA/DP) - Byron Bell

TE: Greg Olsen - Jeremy Shockey - Gary Barnidge - Ben Hartsock

WR2: Brandon LaFell - Legadu Naanee

QB: Cam Newton - (FA/Anderson)

FB: Richie Brockel

RB: DeAngelo Williams - Jonathan Stewart - Josh Vaughan

DEFENSE:

LE: Greg Hardy- Thomas Keiser

DLT: Terrell McClain - Andre Neblett

DRT: Ron Edwards - (FA/DP) - Sione Fua

RE: Charles Johnson - Antwan Applewhite

SLB: James Anderson - Thomas Williams

MLB: Jon Beason - Omar Gaither

WLB: (FA/DP/Davis) - Jordan Senn - Jason Williams

LCB: Chris Gamble - Darius Butler - Brandon Hogan

RCB: (FA/DP) - Captain Munnerlyn

SS: Charles Godfrey - (FA/DP)

FS: (FA/DP) - (FA/DP/Nelson)

SPECIAL TEAMS:

K: (FA/DP)

P: (FA/DP)

KR: Kealoha Pilares

PR: (FA/DP)

LS: J.J. Jansen

You don't think Shirley and Kearse are on the team next year? I do. I think Keiser and T. Williams have more chance of being cut than Kearse and Shirley. Other than that, I can't argue.

[JawnyBlaze]

Pretty much, it's as if people want finished articles in their first year starting. As a pass rusher Greg Hardy has been every bit of Johnsons equal, which is even more impressive consider the non-existent pass rush from our DTs.

Take Jared Allen for example. Near record setting season, but had the same amount of pressures and hits as our two DEs - the difference was he was able to convert more into sacks. Looking for reasons why (other than playing the Bears twice), quickly points to pressure from the middle:

Kevin Williams

5 sacks

7 hits

25 pressures

compared to our catalogue of DTs

McClain, Fua, Neblett, Fields, Kearse, Shirley and Nwagbuo

7 sacks

5 hits

26 pressures

Williams didn't even have a 'unique' season with over half the teams having at least one player at DT who produced that kind of season.

And Kearse (or was it Shirley?) had 3 of those sacks in the last 4 games...for most of the rest of the year pressure up the middle was non existent.

[Urrymonster]

I said I liked Hardy, but with him it's all mental against the run. Here I'll give you some information.

Hardy's best Run stop percentage is around 75-80 percent while Brown's was 89%. Going even further there first two season stat lines are very similar, the only thing that Hardy did more was tip passes. Other then that the amounts of sacks, QB pressures and so forth are very similar.

This is not true

Brown in 2009 (267 pass rushes) - 3 sacks (1.1%), 7 hits (2.6%), 13 pressures (4.9%)

Brown in 2010 (290 pass rushes) - 4 sacks (1.4%), 2 hits (0.7%), 16 pressures (5.5%)

Hardy in 2010 (219 pass rushes) - 2 sacks (0.9%), 9 hits (4.1%), 14 pressures (6.4%)

Hardy in 2011 (469 pass rushes) - 4 sacks (0.9%), 8 hits (1.7%), 33 pressures (7.0%)

Hardy is impacting 10.1% of passing plays that he rushes the passer compared to Brown impacting just 8.0%. For comparison sake both Charles Johnson and Jarad Allen impacted on 11.1%.

[ladypanther]

So who is starting on D next year who is currently on the team?

DE: Charles Johnson

NT: Ron Edwards

UT:

DE: Greg Hardy

SLB: James Anderson

MLB: Jon Beason

WLB:

CB: Chris Gamble

SS: Charles Godfrey

FS:

CB:

That is my vote for returning starters. We will draft a starter on D in the top 10 this year. That leaves three starters we need to find along with depth.

Good post. We need to have better luck with injuries for sure. Hope an full off season program will help some of the young guys. We found some depth in a few spots...now need to find starters.

So which hole will get filled with the first draft pick?

[carpanfan96]

This is not true

Brown in 2009 (267 pass rushes) - 3 sacks (1.1%), 7 hits (2.6%), 13 pressures (4.9%)

Brown in 2010 (290 pass rushes) - 4 sacks (1.4%), 2 hits (0.7%), 16 pressures (5.5%)

Hardy in 2010 (219 pass rushes) - 2 sacks (0.9%), 9 hits (4.1%), 14 pressures (6.4%)

Hardy in 2011 (469 pass rushes) - 4 sacks (0.9%), 8 hits (1.7%), 33 pressures (7.0%)

Hardy is impacting 10.1% of passing plays that he rushes the passer compared to Brown impacting just 8.0%. For comparison sake both Charles Johnson and Jarad Allen impacted on 11.1%.

Did you even read what I wrote? Nope you didn't. Also the team has him with 16 pressures his rookie season and even more his second season. I was also talking about run stopping. Stop percentages are completely different the what you posted above. So yes I was correct, you even posted incorrect stats. lol

I said the other numbers where similar and they are comparable, but Hardy is horrible against the run, where as Brown posted pretty good stop numbers vs the Run.

[bleys]

obviously he still has work ahead of him..

[NJPanthers12]

Good post. We need to have better luck with injuries for sure. Hope an full off season program will help some of the young guys. We found some depth in a few spots...now need to find starters.

So which hole will get filled with the first draft pick?

I would LOVE to trade up for Morris Claiborne. I actually feel he is a little better than PP7. But he will not fall to 8 or 9 and I am not trying to trade picks to move up. I think we will be choosing between Vontaze Burficit and Dre Kirkpatrick. I honestly do not know how I feel about either of them yet. Also would not shock me if we reach on Still from Penn State. Either way we will add two starters on D in the first two rounds and fund two more in free agency.

[Urrymonster]

Did you even read what I wrote? Nope you didn't. Also the team has him with 16 pressures his rookie season and even more his second season. I was also talking about run stopping. Stop percentages are completely different the what you posted above. So yes I was correct, you even posted incorrect stats. lol

I said the other numbers where similar and they are comparable, but Hardy is horrible against the run, where as Brown posted pretty good stop numbers vs the Run.

Really?

Going even further there first two season stat lines are very similar, the only thing that Hardy did more was tip passes. Other then that the amounts of sacks, QB pressures and so forth are very similar.

You seem to believe that their sack, hits and pressures are similar when they aren't. CJ and Allen are two of the leagues premier pass rushers are operating at slightly higher level to Hardy, who was in turn significantly more productive than Brown.

Your claim on stop percentages is kinda pointless and statistically insignificant due to the sheer lack of tackles Brown had made. This means your claimed 5% difference was in fact 1-2 defensive stop variance.

Run defence is what rookies and first time starters struggle with, game experience will help them improve on this. Regardless your decision that he is 'terrible' against the run is a bit extreme. He got exposed in 4 games this season, but also had some pretty darn good games against the run as well. He's raw, but improving and he had a non-stop attitude regardless of the score which suggests he will only get better.

So yes I was correct, you even posted incorrect stats. lol

I quoted my source earlier in the thread. Profootballfocus are an independent site, that assign all stats post game, so there are no incorrectly assigned statistic. They also justify how they record pressure so it's not plucked out of thin air like most sites.

[bleys]

^ perspective. The Kraken will be starting here for years, get used to it.