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John Fox Embraces Change?

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827e6b71/article/broncos-fox-embraces-change-with-mannings-arrival-

Seems like now Coach Fox is now known for his flexibility in the national media :o . So the question is, what was stopping the flexibility while he was our coach? The players, the coaching or the ownership?

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John Fox is still stubborn. If we had Peyton Manning here while Fox coached the team, we would have thrown the ball plenty. He's not a complete idiot, he just prefers old school football.

Also it's not like he had a choice in the matter. Elway probably told him they were signing Manning and the offense was now Manning's.

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He had orton and ran a boring conservative offense, he switched to The Golden Calf of Bristol and ran a boring conservative offense. The only difference is now he is smart enough to let peyton play and not mess with it. I bet he would have done that here if we had gotten Peyton. Doesn't seem like anythings changed.

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JR is just as stubborn as Fox. It just wasn't a great combo here. He's a good coach. I wish him the best with Peyton running the show. Hopefully Rivera has the balls to tell JR some of his wants are outdated.

or not.. since JR was leading the charge in adapting this team to the new NFL..

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http://www.nfl.com/n...nnings-arrival-

Seems like now Coach Fox is now known for his flexibility in the national media :o . So the question is, what was stopping the flexibility while he was our coach? The players, the coaching or the ownership?

Ownership and Management in my opinion. I think Fox is fairly conservative but it's amplified when you have a conservative owner and GM. They were bad for each other.

Or....he had more say here where in Denver Elway runs that ship.

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In all honesty I liked how Fox ran a team when he got here. Using vet players and peppering in Rookies that deserved the Job. Its was a system that got us to the Super Bowl. Still after a few years he became more and more attached to his Vets while forgeting to pepper in the young players. I think the ownership got tired of that and thats why we are in total reverse. I just hope one day we make it back to using both Vets and young players.

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You're all way off, and I have to wonder how much attention you actually pay to what went on here.

Does Fox rely on a very conservative offense? Yes. But, really, he never had the kind of QB that would allow him to run anything else. Delhomme was perfect for a limited run-first offense, and we won games that way, but he wasn't Peyton Manning. Neither was Moore, or Clausen, or Orton or The Golden Calf of Bristol. Peyton can actually run a pass-first offense, so it's not as if Fox magically decided to be onboard with it. He knows what he can or can't work with, hence his extreme offensive training wheels he had to conjure up to keep The Golden Calf of Bristol upright, or the creative packages he ran against Atlanta the seaosn Delhomme was out and we had to bring in frickin' Vinny Testaverde.

On the flip side, we needed a change here. Rivera is much more risk/reward oriented and will not be afraid to let his offense try to win a game rather than hope to avoid losing it, and he has his franchise QB that Fox would have killed for once Jake was done.

I am personally glad that Fox was not our coach when we decided to take a franchise-altering gamble and select Cam, because Fox would not have been invested in it the way Rivera is and would have been content to bring Cam along way too slowly, whereas Rivera wants to put him on the fast track to dominance. It worked out OK for everyone involved, Fox included.

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