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Rivera/hurney Go To Chapel Hill For 2Nd Coples Meeting.


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Today Rivera and Hurney traveled to Chapel Hill for a 2nd meeting with QC. I wouldn't read too much in to this except this is the same thing they did with Cam right before the draft last year. I think if Coples plays up to the potential that Rivera normally demands/gets he can be a JPP type game changer, and that has me excited. I still think Cox would be the safer pick, but I think all of us as well as our FO is starting to get the feeling he will be gone before we pick. Not that I don't realize the concern with QC, however their is no doubt he is loaded with talent(not Peppers/Suh once in a lifetime talent, but pro bowl game changing Richard Seymor/JPP talent) if he lives up to the potential. All this meeting does is make me praise the football gods that we might not take Luke K who is a very good prospect we don't need!: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/24/panthers-brass-met-with-quinton-coples-on-monday/

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Been on the Coples train for a while. People don't understand that good defense in today's NFL isn't elite CB play, it's pass rush. Ask me if I'd rather have a Revis/Asomugha tandem or Jason Pierre-Paul/Jared Allen combo, I'd take the latter any day. I'd be happy with Cox, Coples or Ingram at this point.

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Great...

He might have been playing "not to get hurt" at UNC, but what does that say about someone in a contract year for us. You play to win the game. If you're thinking about something else, you're not thinking about making the play.

I really do not want his motor looming over his time playing for us and looking like a Peppers sometimes.

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I would be ok with this pick. If Rivera sees him planning out I trust him. Dude has a load of potential.

So what if Rivera think Kuechly is the best pick? Are you still behind him or does it depend on who he wants???? Either Rivera knows what he is talking about or he doesn't. What is it????

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So what if Rivera think Kuechly is the best pick? Are you still behind him or does it depend on who he wants???? Either Rivera knows what he is talking about or he doesn't. What is it????

Yep if Kuechly is the pick I will stand behind him. I have my own opinions but Im not going to go off the deep end like you and CRA do about who you want. I have given credit to Kuechly where it is due but I dont ignore his shortcoming either.

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Yep if Kuechly is the pick I will stand behind him. I have my own opinions but Im not going to go off the deep end like you and CRA do about who you want. I have given credit to Kuechly where it is due but I dont ignore his shortcoming either.

Don't go speaking for me. I have already said I don't expect us to draft Kuechly. I think it will be Cox if he is there or Coples if he isn't which assumes we don't trade down or go offense. I have also not been as negative to any player as you have been toward Kuechly so step away from the edge before accusing any else of going off the deep end. As for being objective about Kuechly, that is pretty funny...... I only joined the Kuechly bandwagon to defend him from all the ridiculous and unwarranted attacks I saw from posters like you. I was on the Coples and Poe bandwagons before the whole Kuechly debates began.

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