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Just one more reason we have the league's best owner

NanceUSMC

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I'm guessing those who are upset by the roster cuts of the 2009 offseason would rather have had a 2010 team that was QB'd by an ineffective, erratic and (more imporantly) highly expensive Delhomme... An injured, minimally effective Brad Hoover... An ineffective and injured Kemoeatu... Peppers at ~$22m... Damione Lewis at ~4.5m per season... Chris Harris as your current starting safety...

And more importantly, the (long term) salaries of those players...

We would have finished that season mediocre, at best... Perhaps 6-10 or 7-9... Missed the playoffs... Picked maybe somewhere around 10-12 in the draft and currently have a starting QB of either Gabbert or Ponder or Delhomme...

I know it sucks when popular players who have been with the team a while get released for cap reasons... But it's the nature of the beast... I know it sucks that you sometimes have to take a step backwards (2-14) in order to take a leap forward (contenders with cap space this year?)...

That said, I personally think it was the right call, at the right time... I didn't enjoy the 2-14 season, but I see the big picture... We are where we currently are, because of that season and the tough decisions made...

I can live with it...

But that's just me...

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I remember about 2 years ago where 99% of the huddle wanted JR run out of town. He was called every name in the book. Now, he is back where he really always was....one of the best owners in the league.

I don't think that it was 99%. I for one, always supported JR. But there were quite a few, umm...vocal, posters who blasted him incessantly. So it made it seems worse than it was.

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The reality of football is that almost every team has to gut their franchise and start over, from time to time. Indy just did it with Peyton. Detroit did it - a few times, but they finally got it right. We had to do it. That's the nature of the beast, your core group that you've built success around will get old and have to be replaced. You're lucky when it's staggered enough and you can just replace one piece at a time, but inevitably a complete overhaul will have to happen. NE will have to do the exact same thing within 5 years, Brady isn't going to last forever and that team is getting OLD. Greenbay had to do it, to a lesser extent, and they were lucky to skip a really atrocious season between Farve and the new golden boy.

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Usually, when a team dumps players, they bring in upgrades immediately, and not wait a year so they can blow truckloads of money just to retain their core players and sign C-level free agents and assume they're alright. This team still has limited talent and if it wasn't for Cam they probably would've been winless in 2011.

The Colts haven't stretched out their rebuilding into a four year plan. They acted much quicker than we did when the poo hit the fan.

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How is JR a better owner than others who actually win?

At least he drafted a black QB. I know you thought he would never do that. Thank god he did. How bad would life suck if we were watching Cam tear it up in Buffalo while we were hoping Matt Moore would pan out. Holy crap that's scary.

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I'm guessing those who are upset by the roster cuts of the 2009 offseason would rather have had a 2010 team that was QB'd by an ineffective, erratic and (more imporantly) highly expensive Delhomme... An injured, minimally effective Brad Hoover... An ineffective and injured Kemoeatu... Peppers at ~$22m... Damione Lewis at ~4.5m per season... Chris Harris as your current starting safety...

And more importantly, the (long term) salaries of those players...

We would have finished that season mediocre, at best... Perhaps 6-10 or 7-9... Missed the playoffs... Picked maybe somewhere around 10-12 in the draft and currently have a starting QB of either Gabbert or Ponder or Delhomme...

I know it sucks when popular players who have been with the team a while get released for cap reasons... But it's the nature of the beast... I know it sucks that you sometimes have to take a step backwards (2-14) in order to take a leap forward (contenders with cap space this year?)...

That said, I personally think it was the right call, at the right time... I didn't enjoy the 2-14 season, but I see the big picture... We are where we currently are, because of that season and the tough decisions made...

I can live with it...

But that's just me...

THe problem is little about your post is true at all. For starters Delhomme was going to make all the money we had to pay him in 2010 already so we cut him and still had to pay him which was totally stupid. The reason we cut him was so the players who were loyal to him wouldn't back him versus Moore and Clausen and Fox who didn't favor rookies couldn't play him. Whether he played or not he would have been a great mentor to Moore and Clausen. And as bad as he played it wasn't worse than Moore or Clausen. Ever consider that not having Jake to lean on was one of the reasons Moore did so well in 2009 and suddenly was awful in 2010 without him???

Next Hoover was on the last year of his deal so getting rid of him didn't save any long term salaries and wouldn't have hurt us going forward. Both Jake and Kemo deals had clauses which triggered a 1 year deal which were done after 2010. Moose and Lewis were both free agents and could have been brought in on a 1 year deal for very little. I can see Kemo though given he was injured but the rest was totally unwarranted and saved no salary beyond 2010. Peppers was a free agent and wasn't going to be here so he is not even part of the conversation. We tried to pay him big bucks and he turned us down. That was the tipping point. That was when we went on a cutting spree. Otherwise explain why we gave Diggs a 3 year extension in January and then cut him 3 months later. Once we lost Peppers I think Richardson told him that since we were going to suck, cut as many salaries as we can and go on the cheap. As for Harris, he was traded because he publicly stated his dislike for the cuts and was a strong supported of Jake, it had little to do with his salary which wasn't that big. They didn't want his strong locker room presence making waves.

If the truth be told, JR bagged the season purposely and said as much. He reportedly told Hurney that if they were going to have a losing season (like they did in 2009 with a 7-9 record) then he was going to cut salaries and go young (read cheap). He already knew Fox was a lame duck and was poor developing rookies but persisted anyway.

The reality is that whole going young and rebuilding crap was what they said to spin a bad situation for gullible fans who are unable to see read between the lines. They could have easily made some changes and brought in some new folks without making so many whole changes. I said before the season started that it was going to be a disaster because they gutted the team of much of the veteran leadership and locker room presence in favor of guys who didn't have a clue.

The whole we had to suck because that was the only way we could have picked up Newton is a crock as well. We were the only team that was going to pick him up at the number 1 slot. Most folks felt he would go somewhere between 8 and 15 which is where we would have picked if we won 6 or 7 games. Plus we could easily have traded up if we really wanted him.

Your whole argument just shows why companies and businesses spend millions for media specialists who spin great stories that you just regurgitated in great revisionistic history manner. The problem is that little of it is true at all.

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