The actual reason Armanti is on the team...

[FirstRoundPick]

We struggled at QB so long, that we overate the heck out of the one we have. Its ok to have the worse PR in football, we will score anyway.

Maybe, Mare could have hit a few more FG's if we got him 5-10 yards closer.

[CRA]

He didn't lose it but he muffed a kickoff in the end one but picked it up. Adams' ceiling as a return specialist vs Edwards' is obvious, but he does have an issue with ball security. Repeatedly stating that he has only one turnover does not negate the high potential that his inability to cleanly field the ball may cost us dearly this season.

The question posted earlier holds water... How much of a premium should be placed on 5-10 yard improvement in average return yardage vs ball security given the potency of our offense?

I know he did....was just waiting to see if this guy could even name that one. He did muff a kickoff....but this guy claimed he fumbled 4 punts.

Given the fact our D will still be weak....O needs all the help they can get to put up points. It is more than just PR average....the longest PR last year was a league low 17 yards....how many times did Adams break that in preseaon? That will help Cam and the O. Would be huge to get those returns when the O hits slumps like they did in the 2nd half of games last year.

Like I said, you want a legit playmaker....you deal with some errors. Cam, Smitty, Williams....they all have their moments as well. It is the Armanti Edwards type guys who simply can't make an error.

Will Adams make some boneheaded plays? Absolutely. He did at Ark. Big plays make up for it. PRs are rare and a natural thing for some....he looks the part out of the gate. Easy call IMO.

[NoDa Panther]

Lost in Armanti's 2011 return average is the number of punts fielded inside the 20 due to our inadequate defense. Very rarely were our opponents kicking from deep within their own territory... Deion Sanders couldn't have done more with the majority of his opportunities.

I'm with you in hoping that Adams is the home run hitter that we've lacked for almost a decade. If he continues to put the ball on the turf, however, I don't believe he is worth the risk.

[CRA]

I think you're interpreting what he's saying as "turnovers". At least that's the impression that I get from you saying "lost a fumble". Hubby is just referring to times that he let the ball hit the ground. Muffed punts that are immediately picked up and fumbles that are immediately recovered by the initial ball carrier are not tracked as "fumbles" in official statistics (in most cases). If you don't remember Adams letting the ball hit the turf on more than the one official fumble then you have a very bad memory.

He was very specific in one of his posts...he definitely claimed 2 were lost to opponents. As for the rest, you could be right.

and we were talking about punt returns....so his KO muff may have some merit to it in terms of the big picture but wasn't included in PR discussion.....bc it wasn't a PR.

[CRA]

Lost in Armanti's 2011 return average is the number of punts fielded inside the 20 due to our inadequate defense. Very rarely were our opponents kicking from deep within their own territory... Deion Sanders couldn't have done more with the majority of his opportunities.

I'm with you in hoping that Adams is the home run hitter that we've lacked for almost a decade. If he continues to put the ball on the turf, however, I don't believe he is worth the risk.

One of the greatest return men in NFL history couldn't of done much more than Armanti last year?

Okay, I give up.

[Fox007]

Even if the delusional guy was right about the phantom fumbles that Adams doesn't have, pointing out that someone else sucks doesn't mean AE is good.

AE is awful and won't be on an NFL roster in a few weeks.

[KillerKat]

This thread is a prime example of people not reading through each other's posts.

[Herbert The Love Bug]

cause people be typin too damn much

[frash.exe]

Yea maybe he'll improve from 0 catches per season to 3.

Always making progress.

[Ivan The Awesome]

If it "clicks" for Armanti he might develop into a competent backup wr, maybe the #5. Is that worth it?

A second round pick should not be a #5 wide out. That's idiotic.

Armanti is a mistake. Not because he is transitioning but because of the cost to acquire him. That's the hugest mistake that was made. Armanti isn't to blame for that. What we can blame on Armanti is his progress. It's just barely existent. That's the problem. He's a camp all-star but the lights never come on in an actual game.

Should he be used in another way to maybe soften the blow of the resources used to obtain him? I say hell yes. Let Chud go ahead and use him in a wild cat WITH Cam, Dwill or Stew and Tolbert in the backfield. Use him in several plays designed for him. Even if it's 10 specific plays, that's making the most of him.

My gripe is that he's not being used correctly. It's obvious that he's not PR material. he's barely WR material. Use him in innovative ways. We have one of the most sharpest minds of football as an offensive coordinator. I'm sure he can cook up plays for him.

Just use him now. Don't have him ride that bench.

[Rubi]

A second round pick should not be a #5 wide out. That's idiotic.

Armanti is a mistake. Not because he is transitioning but because of the cost to acquire him. That's the hugest mistake that was made. Armanti isn't to blame for that. What we can blame on Armanti is his progress. It's just barely existent. That's the problem. He's a camp all-star but the lights never come on in an actual game.

Should he be used in another way to maybe soften the blow of the resources used to obtain him? I say hell yes. Let Chud go ahead and use him in a wild cat WITH Cam, Dwill or Stew and Tolbert in the backfield. Use him in several plays designed for him. Even if it's 10 specific plays, that's making the most of him.

My gripe is that he's not being used correctly. It's obvious that he's not PR material. he's barely WR material. Use him in innovative ways. We have one of the most sharpest minds of football as an offensive coordinator. I'm sure he can cook up plays for him.

Just use him now. Don't have him ride that bench.

Use him for what? I'd rather run plays with our better players like 89 and Stew

[NoDa Panther]

One of the greatest return men in NFL history couldn't of done much more than Armanti last year?

Okay, I give up.

You have a reading comprehension problem. I stated that he wouldn't have done more with the majority of the return opportunities last year.

You should give up... on life.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Use him for what? I'd rather run plays with our better players like 89 and Stew

Wildcat. The guy has a freaking strong arm and he's accurate. Have him and 89 with other players we have run plays together.

Remember that play they ran on Tampa where I think it was legs catching the ball on the line of scrimmage? Then he threw it back to cam and he was wide open and he ran for like 15 or more yards? I'm talking about plays like that. I know these will work only so many times but he'd be the man to do it.

Use him adequately for christ sakes if your going to be stubborn to keep him around. It's all I'm saying.

[CRA]

I love this place. You folks are easier than the wifes sisters. I tell ya what.

I cannot type any slower, so try and keep up. AE being the starter means absolutely nothing other than he will catch the first punt. Is that simple enough for you? AE may be the primary PR until someone takes the job away from him. Personally, I was hoping for more out of Adams. Aside from the butter fingers, he is impressive.

Do you all just have selective memory? Or are muffs not counted. Even so I can recall at least 2 fumbles. One against Pitt, which we got back. One against Miami, which we lost. (The second punt return of the year, I think.) 1 muff against the Steelers, which we lost. That is 2 fumbles and 1 muff. In 4 games. For 2 turnovers. That is not how you impress your coaches. Or, keep AE off the team.

Adams has the potential to be Smitty 2.0. Unfortunately, he is off to a rocky start.

It's ok, I understand that getting the words out quickly sometimes hampers your thought process. It is after all a media lead world. I am old school. Back when you actually took the time to read, and properly respond, to the writen word.

Bump.

Here is one of your posts....here you claim 2 turnovers.

This was proven false. Joe Adams had one preseason turnover