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So....here are my thoughts


ladypanther

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I am not on the anti cam bandwagon (I am on the gm and hc one at this point). The fact is our plays are taking to long to pan out and cam is getting pressured because of it. Lets get the play calling fixed and then we can work on the players.

disagree...both need to get their crap together now. both are guilty of screwing up. both are costing games.

bad playing can't help bad coaching. bad coaching can't help bad playing. they go hand in hand.

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More deluded homerism - The prototype qb of the future is one who can read defenses like a kindergarden level book make adjsutments at the line of scrimmage, and throw quick short passes up the middle to constantly move the chains with an occasional dump off to a rb or long pass vertically downfield. That isnt what we have as our number 1 qb. We have a younger, larger, slower running version of M Vick.

Yeah, and you are being real objective....

Considering almost all your "ideal" QBs you are referring to are veteran players. Tom Brady couldn't do what he does today 21 games into his NFL career, neither could Eli, Rodgers, etc.

So yeah we don't have that right now....but the guys you are referring to weren't that either at this point.

And Cam isn't comparable to Vick now or early in his career. Always been a lazy comparison.

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I'd like to add some thoughts of my own rather than creating my own thread...

I'd rather be a Panthers fan right now than a Ravens fan... That's right, I'll take our 1-4 to their 5-1

What looked to be a certain Superbowl run has now turned into utter horror due to the fact that they've been decimated by injuries.

On our hands... We're 1-4 and have nowhere to go but up... Or worse. I'd much rather not have any expectations than the ones they had and how quickly their aspirations were taken from them.... I'd hate to be a Ravens fan saying... "What if?"

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There once was a time when rookie QB's rode the pine for awhile, carrying that clipboard, and - if nothing else - saw what it was to act and lead like a starting QB. Brady, E Manning, Rogers, Phillips, Schaub, Romo did not start their 1st year. Just in the last 3 years have more rookie QB's started from the 1st game. And, as ladypanther says, there is a learning curve and that curve is more steep for some than for others. Some, such as J Russell or Young, never get to the top of that curve. More than ever it takes patience of everyone involved. It's not Madden, it's not FF. It's a game played by men one day a week for 16 weeks. Period. That's one day to see if what you changed will pan out, if what you practiced all week will work, if what you saw on film really happens.

How I feel is in my control and I'm at a place of optimistic patience. lol it may be eternal :angel: lol but it is my place.

btw i love these new smileys

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There once was a time when rookie QB's rode the pine for awhile, carrying that clipboard, and - if nothing else - saw what it was to act and lead like a starting QB. Brady, E Manning, Rogers, Phillips, Schaub, Romo did not start their 1st year. Just in the last 3 years have more rookie QB's started from the 1st game. And, as ladypanther says, there is a learning curve and that curve is more steep for some than for others. Some, such as J Russell or Young, never get to the top of that curve. More than ever it takes patience of everyone involved. It's not Madden, it's not FF. It's a game played by men one day a week for 16 weeks. Period. That's one day to see if what you changed will pan out, if what you practiced all week will work, if what you saw on film really happens.

How I feel is in my control and I'm at a place of optimistic patience. lol it may be eternal :angel: lol but it is my place.

btw i love these new smileys

Great post!

I can't find the quote, but Rivera did say early on that rookie QB's should sit....I think at least for a year.

So, Cam was forced on because of him being the #1 pick (by the FO, which I think is unlikely) or because of a lack of other talent at the QB position. With Anderson's history with Chud...that would also surprise me.

So, I have myself very confused.

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My guess is that being the #1 pick the pressure was on to start Cam. Add to that is that Cam really impressed the coaches in the short time they had to evaluate him in 2011 because of the lock out. And that he was at the stadium on that one single day when the lockout was lifted so they could give him a playbook, such as it was. There had to be more than one factor in the decision to start him right away.

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Rookie QBs don't need to sit for a year

Eli Manning started games his rookie season. Yes there is a learning curve but it's better to get the wrinkles out when you're still young. Only if you have like the 2002 Texans' offensive line is it a good idea to sit rookies.

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Rookie QBs don't need to sit for a year

Eli Manning started games his rookie season. Yes there is a learning curve but it's better to get the wrinkles out when you're still young. Only if you have like the 2002 Texans' offensive line is it a good idea to sit rookies.

Eh - it's situational.

In our case he couldn't really have sat for a year because there wasn't anyone sitting behind him that was even close to as capable in the real world. But if there had been an option on the roster it wouldn't have hurt him to sit for a year. Maybe he would have been able to work out some of the mechanical idiosyncrasies in his game without being in games to develop bad habits at the same time.

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