lets look at this play setup

[cranky]

It's clear to me it's a run outside. Williams seals his dude inside and Brockel is heading out to block the DB. If Olsen had managed to make a block at all it'd be more obvious. 

 

DeAngelo just ran inside for some reason.

 

 

Here's what Belichick says about watching tape:

 

“I don’t know how you can know that unless you’re really part of the team and know exactly what was supposed to happen on that play. I know there are a lot of experts out there that have it all figured out but I definitely don’t,” Belichick said.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/18/belichick-takes-a-shot-at-experts-who-have-it-all-figured-out/

 

Maybe you are right but without knowing what was "supposed" to happen, there really is no way of blaming Williams solely. Maybe Williams wasn't suppose to "seal" him. Just because it looks like he's sealed, does not mean that was designed.

[Delhommey]

Here's what Belichick says about watching tape:

 

“I don’t know how you can know that unless you’re really part of the team and know exactly what was supposed to happen on that play. I know there are a lot of experts out there that have it all figured out but I definitely don’t,” Belichick said.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/18/belichick-takes-a-shot-at-experts-who-have-it-all-figured-out/

 

Maybe you are right but without knowing what was "supposed" to happen, there really is no way of blaming Williams solely. Maybe Williams wasn't suppose to "seal" him. Just because it looks like he's sealed, does not mean that was designed.

 

If he's running towards the pile instead of towards daylight simply because that's the original design of the play, we've got major issues.

[cranky]

If he's running towards the pile instead of towards daylight simply because that's the original design of the play, we've got major issues.

In frame 2 (@ 6.37), B.Williams is turned "sealing" his guy - of course that is already a yard and a half in the backfield. In frame 3 (@ 6.36), B Williams has been spun completely around and DeAngelo is hit 3 YARDS behind the line of scrimmage. In the 1 second he had the ball, I'm not sure he had much of a chance to do anything 3 yards back.

[Chaos]

In frame 2 (@ 6.37), B.Williams is turned "sealing" his guy - of course that is already a yard and a half in the backfield. In frame 3 (@ 6.36), B Williams has been spun completely around and DeAngelo is hit 3 YARDS behind the line of scrimmage. In the 1 second he had the ball, I'm not sure he had much of a chance to do anything 3 yards back.

Yeah, would have to watch in real time but it looks to have broken down rather quickly.  Frame two looks like Williams is holding too, and the next shot it's like he released to avoid the flag, but at that point D Will was already being gang banged by the Ravens and Greg Olsen.

[Cyberjag]

The offensive line isn't the biggest problem in the world. They have a great center and left tackle, plus a decent right guard. The Falcons have been doing more with less for years. The trick is to utilize your talent and playcalling to cover your biggest weakness. You cannot have studs at every position. The Patriots have not had an actual defensive back on their team since 2005, and yet they're tops in the league in scoring defense annually.

 

A smart coach would see this situation, maybe spread out that ravens defense, get ngata off the field for god's sake, give Cam a couple of quick reads, or just have him call a dive.

 

Actually, the trick is to ignore coaching and blame poor execution by the players. :p

[Mr. Scot]

If he's running towards the pile instead of towards daylight simply because that's the original design of the play, we've got major issues.

Part of being a runningback is trusting your blockers. That's why you run to where the hole is supposed to be, and you run hard.

If the hole isn't there, maybe you have time to put on the brakes and bounce it outside. Often you don't.

You might look bad, but technically you're doing your job.

[Kurb]

Part of being a runningback is trusting your blockers. That's why you run to where the hole is supposed to be, and you run hard.

If the hole isn't there, maybe you have time to put on the brakes and bounce it outside. Often you don't.

You might look bad, but technically you're doing your job.

 

 

Part of being a GOOD running back is trusting your blockers, not running up their backs when they don't get it done as the play is designed and, finally, seeing the other options that can be created when the Defense has 8 guys lined up to knock the poo out of you.

[Udogg]

You guy's do know that someone being 3 yards in the backfield is a bad thing right?

 

 

[CRA]

Part of being a GOOD running back is trusting your blockers, not running up their backs when they don't get it done as the play is designed and, finally, seeing the other options that can be created when the Defense has 8 guys lined up to knock the poo out of you.

Williams use to have good vision, he use to pick the right spots, and he use to not go down like when brushed by someone's pinky.

No matter how much we like him....he is now 30 and a different guy.

Good teams like NE, Pitt, NYG, etc part with these type players.....they actually part with them a season before the downfall. We would rather argue so so should never leave...ever

[Dpantherman]

Hi Fiz, welcome back

[Mr. Scot]

Part of being a GOOD running back is trusting your blockers, not running up their backs when they don't get it done as the play is designed and, finally, seeing the other options that can be created when the Defense has 8 guys lined up to knock the poo out of you.

You've never seen a 'good runningback' run into a pile?

I've seen that loads of times, even from Super Bowl teams. Even a good OL loses battles sometimes.

If your runningback has to bounce outside all the time to get anywhere though, it's your line that's the issue.

[Udogg]

Williams use to have good vision, he use to pick the right spots, and he use to not go down like when brushed by someone's pinky.

No matter how much we like him....he is now 30 and a different guy.

Good teams like NE, Pitt, NYG, etc part with these type players.....they actually part with them a season before the downfall. We would rather argue and so so should never leave...ever

 

Ok .. I understand it's bash Deangelo day.  But can you honestly say anyone other than Adrian Peterson could rack up yards behind our offensive line?   You see some topics talking about, Deangelo doesn't hit the hole as fast as barner.  Then next you have someone posting screenshots of Deangelo not bouncing it outside.   Deangelo can run when there are actually holes to run in.  Until we fix that, it doesn't matter who our running back is.   If I could see all these hole Deangelo is not hitting or if he started dancing in the backfield I would agree with most of the sentiment, but how can everyone give Cam a pass and not Deangelo?  Both depend on the offensive lines to do their job.

[natty]

Williams had good vision when he was following Hoover.  Our running backs looked like garbage out of 2 TE sets or when Fiammetta was blocking.  

[Kurb]

You've never seen a 'good runningback' run into a pile?

I've seen that loads of times, even from Super Bowl teams. Even a good OL loses battles sometimes.

If your runningback has to bounce outside all the time to get anywhere though, it's your line that's the issue.

*sigh*

 

I didn't say that.

 

I said a good one would see the chance to make the needed yards on the outside.

 

The line is not up to par this season, however, DWill isn't the same guy he was.