The more Rivera talks, the more I worry

[philp]

With that being said.  I'm not arguing that strong defensive teams can't win it all.  It happens every so many years.  What really matters is when a team gets hot.  Ron has shown that he can win late in the season.  If we didn't start off so slow the last two years, who knows what could have happened?  That's all on Ron.

[AceBoogie]

I don't know why people don't believe me when I say he wanted to win that game 7-6. He wants slow low scoring defensive games

[teeray]

as far as efficient...how is getting more plays off in a shorter amount of time not more efficient? how is getting the ball further down the field and into scoring position not more efficient?

Because getting more plays in a shorter amount of time doesn't mean your offense is being more efficient. If you get a bunch of plays off, but don't do poo with them, you aren't achieving anything.

To the second point about getting further down the field, last week we averaged more yards per drive than:

Denver

New England

Philly

Atlanta

Buffalo

So how are we not getting the ball further down the field than those more up tempo offenses?

[rayzor]

either way, I am tired of watching Cam clap his damn hands off as the play clock winds down to zero.

 

and that's at a home game.

 

[Former Bill On Vacation]

The more I read this board and learn about your team the more convinced I am that your owner hired a turd for a head coach.

[teeray]

The more I read this board and learn about your team the more convinced I am that your owner hired a turd for a head coach.

God forbid he beats Marrone then right?

[JayNasty]

Take away the lost punt return and Dwill's fumble, you have at least eight extra plays. Gotta protect the ball when we have it

[philp]

The more I read this board and learn about your team the more convinced I am that your owner hired a turd for a head coach.

Very possible. I'm giving it one more year. I don't look foward to rebuild mode again. But if it has to be done, so be it.

[bleys]

Because getting more plays in a shorter amount of time doesn't mean your offense is being more efficient. If you get a bunch of plays off, but don't do poo with them, you aren't achieving anything.

To the second point about getting further down the field, last week we averaged more yards per drive than:

Denver

New England

Philly

Atlanta

Buffalo

So how are we not getting the ball further down the field than those more up tempo offenses?

 

my only thing is I don't know why people are always arguing back and forth on a black/white basis all the time when a scenario of dictating tempo makes sense in a close game, when the defense grows frustrated with our routes, and we never try to keep the defense off balance instead of giving them time to try get set...

 

this has nothing to do with Chip Kelly..  

 

 

let's refocus this conversation to something we should see more of from time to time regardless...

[Mr. Scot]

What's wrong with D gurus? Coughlin, Tomlin, Cowher, Dungy, etc.

People who were around for the past coaching searches know how much I like Mike Zimmer.

One thing I've noticed with him though: He'd keep the censors on their toes. I think he uses some form of the word 'f--k' in about every other sentence :blink:

[Former Bill On Vacation]

God forbid he beats Marrone then right?

 

 

After being the head coach of a team with the talent you guys have and being in his 3rd year and on a short leash,  hope he can beat us or youre in for a long friggin season.

[Happy Panther]

who needs more plays? who needs to be quicker on the field and give their team more chances to score?

 

why did we only have 3 possessions in the second half? i'm sure it had absolutely nothing to do with the amount of time we took between each snap.

 

oye.

 Well Seattle really only had 4 and they received the ball. If we had not have screwed up their punt on the first possession then we probably would have had 4.

[d-dave]

Bleys makes an important distinction, which is one made in other threads about our offense, but it has less to do with the number of plays, drive, ect.  It has to do with setting the tone of the game.  How so?

 

You have a drive that starts at your 20, you go 60 yards in 6 plays in 1:23, you have to punt/miss field goal/turnover/ect.  You complete 75% of your 3rd downs on that drive, yet you still come up short.  Is this the kind of drive we want?

 

Some will call Fox Ball, but if we start at that 20 yard line, grind out the 80 yards in 15 plays, complete all 3rd downs, score 7 points, and it takes 10 minutes.  I'd take that one!  I'd also take it on an 80 yard bomb to Ginn in one play.

 

The fact it, you can go back and forth based on speed and whatever else, but you have to score points, which there are no excuses with the offense and the tools (as questionable as some might be).  After two long scoring drives, your opponents D is going to get gassed.  Especially if it's in the second half!  That's how you set the tone.  I don't think the speed up offense can be truly successful week in and week out with out an exceptional QB.

 

Let's step back a moment, take a deep breath, give the team a chance in week two before we call for rolling heads, chickens from the sky, or the rise of Cluthulu.

[fieryprophet]

I am shaking my head. We did not have so few possessions because we didn't run a hurry up against Seattle. We had so few possessions because we kept giving the ball back and the defense couldn't get off the field. New England ran a hurry up against the Jets yesterday and all it did was get them off the field faster. When we execute the offense itself better than a hurry up might make sense, but until then we're just hurrying up to give the other team another possession.