Aaron Rodgers 2012. One of the most sacked QBs.. 108 QB rating and 39 TDs.

[Fox007]

Sometimes I wish Cam were white to see how his critics would view him then.

 

Didn't stop people from piling on Delhomme and rightfully so....

 

race has nothing to do with it

[thefuzz]

Go back and check the record of the so called "Ellite QBs." Many of them are not asked to do much more than manage a team when they first start out. They are given endless chances to succeed. That is why we can call them "elite QBs" today. They are not intentionally burnt out nor ask to do more than they have to. U see when so called Elite QBs like Peyton, Brady start out, they are treated just like Luck.

 

Just some insight: Cam vs. Luck. Two # 1 Draft picks in consecutive years. Do you realize that all Luck is asked to do is MANAGE his team? He's not asked to do anything more than pass the ball off  to his RECEIVERS, and make a few short and long throws down the field. His O-line and Receivers are the ones doing pretty much all of the work to both protect him and get the ball down to the endzone. And he's the future "ELITE QB."

 

Cam on the other hand, is worked like a horse. The Panthers have holes in any part of their team, that's okay, that's why we got Cam. He will handle the opposing team and minimize our teams issues. That seems to be the mindset of way to many of you.

 

Unlike Luck, Cam has to prove that he's even qualified to be a starting QB never mind an "elite QB." And unlike Luck, Cam is scrutinized by fans, as if they are experts, who only seem to like him for as much as he helps the Panthers and all of it's issues, win. Sad!!!

 

That was hard to follow, on many different levels.

 

Cam is a good QB, just like Luck.  Both need to improve.

 

The exact same issues I had with Cam coming out of Auburn still exist, I wish like hell that they were fixable, I am starting to think that maybe they aren't, not the end of the world.

 

Cam has some tools that most QB's can only dream of, I was just hoping for him to show off that the footwork, accuracy, decision making, and consistency were getting better this year.  So far he has not shown that.  AGAIN....that's OK, we can work around it.  Just hoping is all, hoping for Cam and for the Panthers that he could rise to the very top of discussions about the best of the best.

 

Calm down you guys, I am not saying trade him, nor bench him or any of that nonsense.  Just that would love to see some refinement of his game.

 

Also, yes I know that we need new personnel out there, I was the original Hurney Hater in these parts.  I wanted WR's, OL to surround Cam, then to work on the D, it hasn't gone down that way.

[footballisasport]

That was hard to follow, on many different levels.

 

Cam is a good QB, just like Luck.  Both need to improve.

 

The exact same issues I had with Cam coming out of Auburn still exist, I wish like hell that they were fixable, I am starting to think that maybe they aren't, not the end of the world.

 

Cam has some tools that most QB's can only dream of, I was just hoping for him to show off that the footwork, accuracy, decision making, and consistency were getting better this year.  So far he has not shown that.  AGAIN....that's OK, we can work around it.  Just hoping is all, hoping for Cam and for the Panthers that he could rise to the very top of discussions about the best of the best.

 

Calm down you guys, I am not saying trade him, nor bench him or any of that nonsense.  Just that would love to see some refinement of his game.

 

Also, yes I know that we need new personnel out there, I was the original Hurney Hater in these parts.  I wanted WR's, OL to surround Cam, then to work on the D, it hasn't gone down that way.

 

 

You say that both Cam and Luck need to improve but you only spoke about. Where is the objectivity in your post? What about Luck's QB issues? That is my point. Way to much scrutinizing a QB for having the same issues all the other QBs have. The difference between them and Cam is they are not endlessly scrutinized. And are not only given real weapons to work with, but is also given a chance to grow.

 

You folks are bitching and carrying about Cam based on what, his 3 INTS. Are you seriously saying that those 3 INTS cost the team the game and not endless dropped balls done by Smitty and the rest of the Receivers? You are bitching about Cam getting sacked 7 times and not the fact that your O-line is so bad that they can't even hold have 12 year olds?

 

When outsides come this site and read these endless subjective and not very truthful postings, they will believe that Cam is the cause of every team lost. The truth of the matter is, he isn't. It's just many of you still act like he's at the Combines with gym shorts. You expect him to be perfect. Again, I say, Not...and I mean, not one QB is a perfect. Not even the so called "elite." They all have the same issues as Cam.

[thefuzz]

You say that both Cam and Luck need to improve but you only spoke about. Where is the objectivity in your post? What about Luck's QB issues? That is my point. Way to much scrutinizing a QB for having the same issues all the other QBs have. The difference between them and Cam is they are not endlessly scrutinized. And are not only given real weapons to work with, but is also given a chance to grow.

 

You folks are bitching and carrying about Cam based on what, his 3 INTS. Are you seriously saying that those 3 INTS cost the team the game and not endless dropped balls done by Smitty and the rest of the Receivers? You are bitching about Cam getting sacked 7 times and not the fact that your O-line is so bad that they can't even hold have 12 year olds?

 

When outsides come this site and read these endless subjective and not very truthful postings, they will believe that Cam is the cause of every team lost. The truth of the matter is, he isn't. It's just many of you still act like he's at the Combines with gym shorts. You expect him to be perfect. Again, I say, Not...and I mean, not one QB is a perfect. Not even the so called "elite." They all have the same issues as Cam.

 

Whoa, sport.  Not blaming this loss on Cam, or any other individual player.

 

I am not comparing Cam to anyone else, that's everyone else.  I am looking at our QB, the QB of the Panthers, the team that I root for.

 

I will point out Cam's attributes just as fast as his "issues" I always have.  I'm not a blind homer, and I do like our QB.

 

You know what else I do, and have done?  Pointed out Olsen's, Smitty's, Kalil's, DWill's, Richardson's, Hurney's, issues as well as Cam's.  They are not perfect, and I'm not comparing Cam to anyone else, but to blindly think that he is perfect is pretty dumb.

[CPF4LIFE]

Marc James has been on the radio today trying to compare  Brady to Cam because he is winning with rookie receivers. Man I wish somebody would punch this guy in his mouth.

[nickzz]

I don't understand your point...

 

tom brady was a 3x pro bowler, 3x super bowl champion, and already considered a hall of famer before welker or moss put on a patriot uniform.

 

wayne, harrison, and clark were all products of peyton manning.

 

thomas, decker, and welker are better now because of manning.

 

it doesn't matter if they were good beforehand, average, or flat outright bad...an elite qb makes his recievers better. period.

 

okay, compare brady's numbers before and after the fact and you'll understand.

 

wayne, harrison and clark were all products of manning? if you honestly believe this you have zero credibility in the football world.

 

not sure why we're comparing brady/manning to  cam anyways, he's a 3rd year player and the other two are legends.

 

brady put up 6 points with a much better OL and comparable receiving core. tom brady. T-O-M B-R-A-D-Y. tom. brady. the 10+ year vet who has already achieved legend status. the pats are not nearly as good as they have been in the past, and that's because of their offense, which has been severely hindered by their receiving core.

 

the statement "an elite qb makes his receivers better" means absolutely nothing.

[tiger7_88]

Hey bubba, you normally only get some many chances in this league to improve, and win.

 

 

 

Number of TD's (passing and running) by Peyton Manning in his first two years + four games: 64

Number of interceptions by Peyton Manning in his first two years + four games: 47

 

Number of TD's (passing and running) by Cam Newton in his first two years + four games: 69

Number of interceptions by Cam Newton in his first two years + four games: 34

 

You guys are right, BUBBA... historically, Cam is doing JUST AWFUL.

[tiger7_88]

And how about that Eli Manning, huh?  Super Bowl winning QB two times over, right?

 

How's he doing this year?

 

Behind a poo offensive line?

 

Injured and disgruntled receivers?

 

And no running game?

 

Or does he get a pass for crapping the bed having to do it all himself because of those two rings?

 

(P.S. The above was not meant to be truly critical of Eli Manning... that poor kid is having to deal with almost worse in NY than Cam has it here.)

[JSouth]

Cam will be fine. This team needs better coaches a #1 receiver and some online help. Not much right? Really though Cam has little experience compared to other qb's of the same age and plays really good considering his lack of playing and lack of coaching. He is going to make mistakes but I am starting to believe eventually he will look more like what he looked like in the first half and not the second.

[top dawg]

So, what you're insinuating is that with our current coaching/training and O-line, Aaron Rodgers would make our set of WRs as good as Greg Jennings, Patrick Cobb, Jordy Nelson and James Jones?

 

:huh:  

 

 

 

Do you really know how foolish that sounds?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[carolina-chuck]

Your the problem. Go cheer for your fugging Cowgirls or open your eyes to who the fug our coaching staff is. SCRUBSSSSSSSS

 

I wish I could be the blame. It'd be much easier to fix. Too bad I'm not and did those Cowgirls look damn good yesterday. Sure did.

[carolinarolls]

The problem IS Cam not the O line. Packers 2012 O line was abysmal and Rodgers was one of the most sacked QBs in the league and his QB rating was still 108 and he had 39 TD passes. What more is it going to take before we realize Cam is not and never will be elite. Even Jay Cutler plays pretty solid under a abysmal O line. Dont get me wrong, our O line is terrible but so was the Packers. Elite QBs perform well in spite of bad O line play.

 

 

Cam fanz are gonna go down the cam excuse flip chart and go with a resounding "receivers!!  Rodgers had better receivers!!!'

 

the truth is that Rodgers is a quarterback, Cam is an athlete trying to be a quarterback.  The only comparison in the side of athleticism is that technically they are both athletes.  Outside of that Rodgers does not even register on Cam's scale.  Conversely as far as Quarterbacking goes, the exact opposite is true in favor of Aaron Rodgers.

 

Its laughable to compare the two.

 

Question is what you are looking for.  Cam cannot do what AR does.  AR cannot do what Cam does.  Which one does the stuff you want done on Sundays?

 

 

que:  "but, but, but..."

 

You can give Cam any weapon you want and he is never going to be as good of a QB as AR.  Never.  Even with an unlimited checkbook.

 

And even if you somehow formulate and argument with that "unlimited checkbook" caveat, I'm gonna remind you that there is no such thing as an unlimited checkbook in the NFL, and definitely not one in Charlotte.

[carolinarolls]

Marc James has been on the radio today trying to compare  Brady to Cam because he is winning with rookie receivers. Man I wish somebody would punch this guy in his mouth.

 

 

Marcy James might be salvageable as a radio personality one day.  He's so dreadfully far away from it right now though.  I think if somebody did smack him around he might gain that bit of humility he so desperately needs.  Dude is a total dork and somebody will slap the ***** clean off him soon.  The sooner the better.  For his sake.

[TheRed]

Usual drivel from carolinarolls.

Odd that he was missing in action after the Giants game and during the bye week. We lose? He's back again.