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Cam haters, what you should have learned from the last 3 games

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panthers55 Grand Master

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I use Football Outsiders for stats as well but honestly I still can't figure out the specifics of DVOA and the rest.  I see the explanation but it is still over my head frankly.

 

Again I don't think you can just look at defensive stats in isolation.  I think you have to look at the offense as well and things like how they play at home versus on the road, whether we play well there or not.  For example who thinks Arizona would beat us at our house this year given how well we are playing at home and how poor they play on the road.  For example I think we will play tough against New England but worry that Brady is money on Monday Night. I think we will struggle against San Fran and Miami on the road.

 

Look at our losses. 2 of the 3 have been on the road irregardless of the defense.  Even then we had chances to win except for poor execution at critical times.  Hopefully we have fixed much of that.

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Well I hope you don't think that many of the whiners and bitchers here deserve much attention. People will always complain when we lose and many will complain when we lose that it is just an abberation and things will get worse. Look at folks who have said that Rivera will still choke when we play a close game or that Shula is still a bad coordinator although he seems to be doing a world of good for Cam.

I am glad we are winning and if we get to 9-7 I think that might get us into the playoffs. If we win the next 2 we could go 4-4 and still be in contention for the playoffs.

Yeah I really don't want to destroy and rebuild..

And that was kind of my main point about the difference between Cam and Rivera haters. Obvious Cam trolls seem to wildly criticize him, whereas people don't seem to be signing up just to bash any and everything Rivera.

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Nope just a realist. We beat 3 bad teams and blew a game against buffalo another bad team. Beat up on 3 horrible teams and all of a sudden people start talking about playoffs.

 

Arizona would've been a statement game and they failed to execute.

 

Getting W's in the next two games shows us nothing. But L's would tell us everything.

 

However the defense playing the way they are with the mess we have at corner is a huge positive!

How could I forgot that category.  Some people lump realists in the bitcher, complainer category.  Others lump them into the cautiously optimistic category.  Depends on your perspective.

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Yeah I really don't want to destroy and rebuild..

And that was kind of my main point about the difference between Cam and Rivera haters. Obvious Cam trolls seem to wildly criticize him, whereas people don't seem to be signing up just to bash any and everything Rivera.

That is the thing.  I have wanted a Jim Johnson defense for a decade and while this one doesn't blitz as much or take as many chances, it is solid and should be for the foreseeable future. I fear that we will make wholesale changes and end up going backwards instead of forwards.  This team is hitting it's stride at the right time of the year instead of waiting until December.

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Whoop there goes p55 creating his own definitions again

Honestly I think the easy schedule could save this coaching staff, and even if they do get canned at the end of the season by missing the playoffs gettleman's not rebuilding because we already have most of the pieces in place.

It's like that crappy fish game you play on ebaumsworld or whatever. You need to eat the smallest fish in the beginning which will help you grow to eat bigger and bigger fish until you're the biggest one and you can't even fit on the screen. (Boy I wish a coach makes that metaphor someday)

These awful opponents don't require Cam to press, so he's just going to get better and better as the season progresses, and we might end up playing in January for once.

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Kaepernick runs a pretty basic offense. Bob had most of his liberties taken by Shanahan after the injury. Russel Wilson is a guy with more control over his offense than Cam has. Russel Wilson is a guy they talk about having the demeanor and work ethic of a great QB.

 

I've heard many people question Cam's work ethic. There are some people in the Panthers building that felt like Cam didn't put in the work during the 2012 off season. I'm not sitting here comparing Cam Newton to all of the bust QBs like some people do. I'm comparing him to the best because that is what he can be. I'll go back and watch some Giants this weekend but most of what I say comes from things I've seen or read. Sometimes it comes from Steve Smith who I would think knows what he's talking about.

 

Cam does put in work. Nobody is denying that. But does he put in NFL QB work or NFL Elite QB work?

 

Could you just block me? I can't change the way you feel and you misquote me. This is not healthy find a new person to stalk.

 

Misquote you say?

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Whoop there goes p55 creating his own definitions again

Honestly I think the easy schedule could save this coaching staff, and even if they do get canned at the end of the season by missing the playoffs gettleman's not rebuilding because we already have most of the pieces in place.

It's like that crappy fish game you play on ebaumsworld or whatever. You need to eat the smallest fish in the beginning which will help you grow to eat bigger and bigger fish until you're the biggest one and you can't even fit on the screen. (Boy I wish a coach makes that metaphor someday)

These awful opponents don't require Cam to press, so he's just going to get better and better as the season progresses, and we might end up playing in January for once.

And there goes Raging Bull or whatever he calls himself now since he changed his name after other posters got tired of his GIFs and other crap.  You have no idea what Gettleman will do or won't do if we don't make the playoffs. And given we started off with Seattle your little fish metaphor makes little sense.

 

Stick to GIFs, they are juvenile but at least appeal to the under 21 crowd where you get most of your support.

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Another Cam thread.

 

After each win, we have one set of threads saying he is God and bashing the doubters

 

After each loss, we have a set saying cut or trade him and bashing the huggers.

 

Guess we will just have to get used to this for the foreseeable future, expecially since we are 3-3.

 

Here's to hoping this, his third year, gets us somewhere in the definitive neighborhood on his potential to leading us to a Super Bowl.

 

The no turnover Sunday just passed, we a good sign and hope a good omen

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I'm by no means a Cam hater, but it feel like every year Cam has a stretch of a great couple of game, and then lays an egg. He has looked great for 2 games lol....2 games.... and against awful teams. I hope he is making strides and his success is sustained but I'm not completely sold yet either.

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Out of curiosity, how many years experience do our coach and QB need before we can start asking for a playoff appearance?

Dude, we were 2-14 the year before they got here. Certainly more than 2 years. We have improved both years since they arrived. Plus look at all the blown picks during that time. Thanks Marty.

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