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Hardy may be the best free agent out there

Captain Morgan

By Captain Morgan,
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pantherj Grand Master

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I have a feeling not many people understand how the tag works. We are not going to tag and trade Hardy. We can put a non-exclusive tag on Hardy, and any team that takes him will have to give us two first round picks as compensation. That is not going to happen imo.

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TruthVsComfort Rookie

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I found the following helpful to understand the possible ways we could trade Hardy:

 

 

The franchise tag allows teams to protect their investment -- which is a significant value. Even if a team does not particularly want to keep a player, or feels a long-term deal is hopeless, it can tag the player and put him on the trading block, knowing the value of the player is greater than the compensatory third-round pick the team could receive for losing a high-caliber player to free agency.

For example, let's examine the Eagles' situation. Philadelphia has enough salary-cap room to tag Jackson, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll be donning midnight green in 2012. At the NFL Scouting Combine, Eagles brass broadcasted a clear message around the league that they would listen to trade offers for Jackson. This wasn't something that slipped out from a rogue source; Philadelphia basically took out a full-page ad in the paper announcing Jackson's availability. Teams don't make intentions this public if they are not truly interested in moving a player.

Now that Jackson's franchised, the Eagles are hoping a team will offer them more than a third-rounder -- the probable compensation if Jackson were to leave in free agency and Philly didn't go on another free-agency binge. (Compensatory picks are awarded to teams that lost more free agents than they gained.) Philadelphia initially will claim it wants a first-rounder, but privately will take a little less. Long story short: By franchising Jackson, the Eagles put themselves in position to possibly gain a better draft pick if the speedy receiver departs.

 

 

But what if teams don't have the cap room, like the Steelers with regard to receiver Mike Wallace? The Steelers have decided to place a first-round tender on the restricted free agent. What does this mean? If another team makes Wallace an offer and Pittsburgh doesn't match it, the Steelers receive that team's first-round pick. This is a calculated risk on the part of the Steelers. Teams picking in the top 15 of the draft would be highly unlikely to give up their pick for Wallace -- not because he is not worth it, but because they would be trading a modestly-priced draft pick for a high-priced signing. And teams picking in the bottom half of the first round don't have the cap room to offer a deal that the Steelers could not match.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827568b5/printable/franchise-season-making-sense-of-tags-and-tenders

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Ruff Newbie

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Tag and trade, man.

Do you realize how much of a cap hit that would require? We're talking an immediate 10+mil in dead money against the cap this year. No way in hell that happens.

Put a first round tender on him. If he doesn't sign it, fine, that's on him. If he does, and someone else signs him, we get their first round pick.

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pantherj Grand Master

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An exclusive tag would require us to pay Hardy the average of the top five DEs in the NFL. That would be insane. That won't happen thank god. I think that would be way too much money.

 

Never mind that ^

 

The rule changed. Now it's this:

 

"Under Article 10, Section 2 of the CBA, the number is based on the five-year average cap percentage for the tag at each position. So it’s no longer driven by what players at the same position made in the prior season, but by the average cap percentage consumed by the franchise tender over five years.  Then, that percentage will be applied to the 2013 salary cap to determine the franchise tender at each position."

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so if he walks and Peppers is there for the taking, what would you do? yes i'm beating and kicking a dead horse, but i thought it may be still breathing.... just a thought!

Nope, he took plays off when he was an elite talent.  Now that he's over the hill, he's almost worthless.

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Do you realize how much of a cap hit that would require? We're talking an immediate 10+mil in dead money against the cap this year. No way in hell that happens.

Put a first round tender on him. If he doesn't sign it, fine, that's on him. If he does, and someone else signs him, we get their first round pick.

Not sure what you're talking about. If he's tagged and traded then it's going to be to a team that's going to offer him a long term deal that he would have to agree to. Then there's no hit against our cap.

see: Jared Allen

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Not sure what you're talking about. If he's tagged and traded then it's going to be to a team that's going to offer him a long term deal that he would have to agree to. Then there's no hit against our cap.

see: Jared Allen

Since that has happened, the CBA/salary cap structure has changed. Fully guaranteed contracts are now accelerated immediately against the cap.

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