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Is a lack of receivers really the problem?

SauceBoss

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Cam prove this season he can make sub talent WR better then they really are. But he won't reach his true potential without giving him above avg. Talent.

People need to realize that we don't have a number 1 or 2 WR now. We have a 34 year-old Smitty who is screaming to be a slot WR and a bunch of 3's and 4's.

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If I were making the decisions, it would start with OLine. Like most lasting and sturdy things, it all begins with a stout foundation. Just as the defense got better when DG beefed up our middle with a couple of stud young Hog Mollies, our offense will benefit immeasurably from the addition of some road grading tackles and guards who can protect Cam and create openings for our RBs.Yes, we still need a good WR or two, and we need to tweak the defensive backfield. But in my eyes our most pressing concern is shoring up that offensive line.

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Lets not act like Cam is Brees or Brady with their touch and accuracy and overall command of an offense. Both of those guys are elite quarterbacks and can make average receivers look great. If you were a GM of a Manning/Brady/Brees lead team, would you worry more about putting elite weapons around them or keeping an immobile quarterback on his feet and clean in the pocket first and foremost? Protection would always be the priority because they can significantly improve the play of an average receiver if they have the time to do so. Conversely, Cam is a different player and will need better targets than those guys to catch his bullets, go up high when he sails them, adjust to errant throws, and come back to the ball or break off routes when the play breaks down and Cam gets out of the pocket. If need be, Cam can escape pass rushers, evade sacks, is much more difficult to bring down, and thus I believe the priority should be to get him weapons first and foremost and then protect him.

I disagree with this some. No Newton is not a super accurate passer but when he sails balls is because his feet are not planted because of a collapsing pocket. I also don't agree with the fact that a QB can make a bad WR avg and so on because Brees gets offensive talent almost every draft and Brady struggled without WRs that could catch and get separation. Not to mention there underrated rushing attack for both of those teams. Let's face it Cam had none of what I listed above and still made plays. If that's not elite I don't know what is. Get the man some protection and some real WRs and stand back to watch the show.

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I disagree with this some. No Newton is not a super accurate passer but when he sails balls is because his feet are not planted because of a collapsing pocket. I also don't agree with the fact that a QB can make a bad WR avg and so on because Brees gets offensive talent almost every draft and Brady struggled without WRs that could catch and get separation. Not to mention there underrated rushing attack for both of those teams. Let's face it Cam had none of what I listed above and still made plays. If that's not elite I don't know what is. Get the man some protection and some real WRs and stand back to watch the show.

Total agree.

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Considering we had two pro bowl offensive linemen and a guard who probably could have made it as well I dont think the offensive line is as bad as some people think.  The Bears got Jordan Mills in the 4th or 5th round last year and he solidified their line.  If we could get someone like that in the mid rounds to start at right tackle and maybe acquire a veteran guard I think we'll be fine.  Gross will come back for another season and if a future left tackle is there at 28 you snag him, if not, we have to get some weapons for Cam.  

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Yes.

Just look at the SF game. Smith 80% in first half. Smith 20% in the second half.

Also look at early season 49ers..old Bolden and a TE as ur only weapons.

Late season gets Crabtree and Manningham for a short period and his Kapernick and the offense became more proficient..not an accident.

Also look at the Browns who got one of the best cornerstone LTs in Joe Thomas who has made the Pro Bowl and all pro teams evey year of his career. Be shocked how little the team has improved bc of that addition.

I totally believe in the build the line philosophy but the TD scorers and game changers usually reside in the top 2 rounds for a reason.

In recent history, the Bengals gets an AJ Green..explosive passing offense ensues.

The Browns with a Josh Gordon..changes the dynamic of the offense...

Bears...Alshon Jeffery....changed how explosive they were

Arizona- Michael Floyd developed..pass game opened up Fitz and helped Palmer have a bounce back season.

Jacksonville- when Justin Blackmon came off his drug suspension.the offense opend up.

Point being adding just one more solid to dynamic target will open the offense up..get a guy who could be top a 10 skill position player and the whole offense changes. The Oline is better bc the passes come out early. Running game opens up bc of Wr threats.

The offense will be bacon if this is focused on...a LT or RT will not score more points.

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Also look at early season 49ers..old Bolden and a TE as ur only weapons.

Late season gets Crabtree and Manningham for a short period and his Kapernick and the offense became more proficient..not an accident.

Also look at the Browns who got one of the best cornerstone LTs in Joe Thomas who has made the Pro Bowl and all pro teams evey year of his career. Be shocked how little the team has improved bc of that addition.

I totally believe in the build the line philosophy but the TD scorers and game changers usually reside in the top 2 rounds for a reason.

In recent history, the Bengals gets an AJ Green..explosive passing offense ensues.

The Browns with a Josh Gordon..changes the dynamic of the offense...

Bears...Alshon Jeffery....changed how explosive they were

Arizona- Malcom Floyd developed..pass game opened up Fitz and helped Palmer have a bounce back season.

Jacksonville- when Justin Blackmon came off his drug suspension.th offense opend up.

Point being adding just one more solid to dynamic target will open the offense up..get a guy who could be top a 10 skill position player and the whole offense changes. The Oline is better bc the passes come out early. Running game ens up bc of Wr threats.

Ithe offense will be bacon if this is focused...a LT or RT will not score more points.

 

That's a pretty compelling argument. Me likes!

 

Psst: Michael Floyd Floyd is on AZ. Malcolm, the Chargers.

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I just want to throw this out there. If you look at the giants this year they had a true 1 and 2 in cruz and nicks but they were terrible as an offensive. In the past they worked with the same group of guys and were dominant enough to win 2 super bowls.

 

If anyone can provide more insight on this that would be great. I only saw 1 or 2 games this season and had to collect more info from rotoworld. 

 

Ex-Giants OC Kevin Gilbride blames Eli Manning's disastrous 2013 on the team's protection issues.
"It just made it impossible for our quarterback to function," Gilbride said. "(Eli) is a guy where if you give him enough time, he’s always going to be throwing the ball to the right person. ... But he’s not a scrambler and you’ve got to give him some help." New York's line was inarguably among the league's worst, but that still doesn't explain away the 42 picks Manning has thrown over his past 32 games. His "league-leading" 27 interceptions this season were the most by any quarterback since 2005. Fixing their broken line is just one of many things the G-Men need to do to resuscitate their offense

 

 

Offensive line was very poor, and Eli can't throw with pressure, nor escape it. 

 

Compound this with Eli making some awful throws/INT's when he should have just thrown the ball away, or used his check downs. 

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The number 2 defense say differently. Please don't use 1game when the sample size of 17 total games says differently. We need a upgrade in the secondary. But the WR corp was way more of a problem for us.

That one game ended our season. Not to mention other points in the season. The front 7 bailed us out plenty of times.

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