I Don't understand the franchise and trade Hardy talk

[*FreeFua*]

DG has almost zero leverage if he were to tag and then try and trade him. Any team dealing with us would do a quick background check (unless you're Oakland maybe) and see that we can't afford to pay this guy.

Hopefully there are a few teams that are serious about Hardy and are willing to get into a bidding war with each other.

[Ship]

I would have no interest in paying Hardy FT money and then either ditching him or resigning him cheap because he has a bad 2014.  That, IMO, would be a huge fail. 

 

How is that a fail? The risk is back on him. If we want to keep him we'll be paying a lot anyway. I'm perfectly fine with the idea of letting him walk, but if we want to go all in on getting a trade or something for him, this is a way we could possibly play chicken with him to get what we want.

 

Maybe it would hamper getting more FA's this year, or even keeping some of our own. If Hardy plays well we'll probably see cheap vets or rookies play well on the back end of our defense again next year. If he doesn't play well, we still have 3/4 of the line doing work and hopefully improving. Maybe one of the rotational guys steps up if Hardy falters.

[thefuzz]

it won't be for nothing.

 

we'd get a comp pick (so what it's basically an early 4th rounder) and the cap space to take care of more important players long term and add some more talent to needed areas without crippling the defense.

 

even with that, i don't know that we'll have a choice. we've got to be ready for that happening. i'm actually expecting that. it's not what i want, but we would still be fine and set up to make another playoff push.

 

sometimes you have to let good players walk. it's just the nature of the business. if the choice is letting him walk or signing him to a hurney-inspired contract that ends up crippling the team and making it hard to re-sign cam and keek, what would you rather do because those two choices are the most likely. and even if we tag him, we just push that decision back further and make other decisions even harder to make.

 

if we don't sign him to a long term deal this year, we aren't going to and i don't even see how we can do that considering the future contract deals coming up.

 

if we aren't going to re-sign him and everyone knows this, why would a team willing to sign him to some monster deal AND give up an early draft pick or two not just want to wait until later when all they have to do is offer him a big contract without giving up draft picks? 

 

Yup.

 

Hardy has more leverage in this instance.  And to think that his agent doesn't understand how bad Hurney left us cap wise is foolish.

 

He is going to walk, and we will get a comp pick.

 

Think of it this way.....we drafted him late, paid him very little, got great production out of him, and he has been healthy.  He did his job, now we do him right and let him walk.

[rayzor]

Yup.

 

Hardy has more leverage in this instance.  And to think that his agent doesn't understand how bad Hurney left us cap wise is foolish.

 

He is going to walk, and we will get a comp pick.

 

Think of it this way.....we drafted him late, paid him very little, got great production out of him, and he has been healthy.  He did his job, now we do him right and let him walk.

good pov. 

 

we got a bargain with him for a few years and he helped us get to the playoffs.

 

we'll be fine and strong without him. and we'll get stronger for longer by just having cap space.

[RoaringRiot]

How is that a fail? The risk is back on him. If we want to keep him we'll be paying a lot anyway. I'm perfectly fine with the idea of letting him walk, but if we want to go all in on getting a trade or something for him, this is a way we could possibly play chicken with him to get what we want.

 

Maybe it would hamper getting more FA's this year, or even keeping some of our own. If Hardy plays well we'll probably see cheap vets or rookies play well on the back end of our defense again next year. If he doesn't play well, we still have 3/4 of the line doing work and hopefully improving. Maybe one of the rotational guys steps up if Hardy falters.

 

 

I don't think we should consider paying anyone that kind of money if we think there's a 3% chance they won't have a season that warrants being paid that way.  

[thefuzz]

good pov. 

 

we got a bargain with him for a few years and he helped us get to the playoffs.

 

we'll be fine and strong without him. and we'll get stronger for longer by just having cap space.

 

Agreed.

 

We got him in the 6th, he played cheaply for 4 years, and we will either get an late 3/early 4 for him in comp.

 

Pretty good deal if you ask me.

 

Let him go, build our O Line and get Cam some weapons.  All of that can be done with GH's expected cap hit.

[rayzor]

Agreed.

 

We got him in the 6th, he played cheaply for 4 years, and we will either get an late 3/early 4 for him in comp.

 

Pretty good deal if you ask me.

 

Let him go, build our O Line and get Cam some weapons.  All of that can be done with GH's expected cap hit.

 

agreed. and i'm not worried about the impact on the DL.

 

remember we have star and kk coming into their second year along with dwan (assuming he's re-signed) and cole...and then you've still got CJ still on the other side, and between him, star and kk you've got a lot of eaten up blockers. whatever we do to fill in for hardy if he's gone will have somewhat of an easy job. it won't take much to get solid production in hardy's place. we may experience some drop off, but i doubt it will be significant.

 

the positive impact on the team will be that it will be easier in the long term to lock up cam and keek and even star (who i think will be an all-pro before too long), plus we can use those resources on beefing up the OL and getting cam more help. that will also make up for hardy being gone and make us stronger overall.

[carolina-chuck]

It's not going to happen. Either we franchise Hardy so he could help us win for one more year, or we let the man walk. No team is going to give us something for him.

[TheRed]

I've been at peace for awhile now with the fact that he will in all likelihood walk for nothing. It's just how things go in the NFL sometimes.

[Peppers90 NC]

It's worth letting him go if we can add pieces to the offense to score an extra 7 points a game

[rko396]

I don't think it's possible to do quite honestly. Someone correct me if I am wrong but I believe if he were to sign the franchise tender the 1 year contract becomes fully guaranteed and would be money we'd have to eat if he was traded.

Some of you may be under the impression that we could franchise him and then sign him to a long term deal for another team but again guaranteed money will always be a factor. He will not sign a long term contract without a large signing bonus(guaranteed money).

You have to remember any "guaranteed money " stays with the team that signs the player even if traded. Huge reason why we had to take a big hit when trading Beason and can't trade Stewart even if we wanted to.

If I am wrong someone please explain it to me and do you have any examples to cite in the past?

People like to play fantasy-madden GM. Dont look to far into it. Its not happening. Just typical "huddler" talk.

[RoaringRiot]

I've been at peace for awhile now with the fact that he will in all likelihood walk for nothing.

 

 

Whoa...wait...when did this happen?

 

I like Rayzor's logic.  It's not for nothing.  We'll get a compensatory pick and a little cap freedom for other FAs.  Let's hope FA and Horton step up to the plate like I think they can.  

[TheRed]

Whoa...wait...when did this happen?

 

I like Rayzor's logic.  It's not for nothing.  We'll get a compensatory pick and a little cap freedom for other FAs.  Let's hope FA and Horton step up to the plate like I think they can.  

 

Are we 100% confirmed to receive a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2015 as it has been stated here?

 

We would still have to receive the draft pick, make the selection, and wait for that player to pan out. Until then, yes, it would be for nothing.

[Ruff]

the 2 first round picks are negotiable for a team. I really think the raiders would be candidates because frankly their stupid. They need a DE and I am sure Carolina would accept a 1st and 2nd from them or hell make them take Jstew. :)

Why do you think the Raiders need a DE so bad? They have houston who is only 26 and had 6 sacks last season, and Hunter who is serviceable.

Besides, why would the Raiders trade their firsts? They know that, by tagging Hardy, we've put ourselves in a bind financially, and then have all the leverage.