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TMac is going to single handedly make the season watchable. Bryce is going to force feed him to save his job after the performance XL and Renfrow put up.

29+13.5 in roll over is 42.5m. Minus Moton at 18-20m and you get 22-24m.

You have to start from scratch...new coach, GM and QB. Otherwise there will be infighting about who compromised who when things aren't going well if their tenures overlap. All three starting at ground level will have them connected at the hip and give less room fro the inevitable finger pointing during rough patches.

Coming from a military family, I always had high structure and positivity growing up. But when my uncles and grandparents start talking about fubar and I saw the look in their eyes, things could get pretty bad. That’s one word that rings true.

Thielen was speaking highly of Bryce. He said that was one of the reasons he came back here. The fan base is the ones imploding on him. I feel Thielen's opinion probably shifted after seeing how we performed in the preseason, though. These are two completely different situations. People are criticizing without offering their solution. Would you have wanted us to draft a QB high and cast doubt on Bryce before the season opener? It's not as easy as you think to balance all this.

I honestly don't think so, it's just that the damage he did during the Rhule/Reich years was so bad it's continued to linger. Not to mention he never really made a totally clean break from Scott Fitterer when he hired Dan Morgan. Also, trading up to #1 for a QB that hasn't panned out is going to set your franchise back a few years regardless.

Exactly.

Yes.

He was an OC for Baker and the Bucs. Prior to that doesn't count as he wasn't the guy calling plays. You keep trying to give him credit for someone else's work. He has been given credit where it wasn't due. He's not a qb whisperer. That is what fans called him to have hope that he could fix Young because he "fixed" Geno and Baker when there was no proof he actually had anything to do with it.

Frank made sense only in that.......the org was coming off the Rhule poo show. And the Frank era was basically going to the opposite end of the spectrum and trying to be NFL respectable again. I get that. But then Tepper paired the old dog coach up w/ some anomaly QB that would require Shanahan and unique weapons.

I think you just like to follow me around and hate on whatever I say. At least engage in the conversation. What would you have rather us done with the Thielen situation given he clearly wanted to go home?

Unprepared and out of position. It’s the hallmark of the Tepp coaching existence. I know im in the minority, I’m not all that down on the players from a talent perspective. I do believe that there is some good talent there, but the coaching from top to bottom is abysmal. I mentioned it already but it bears repeating: what good positional coach with aspirations of climbing the ladder would EVER sign up here? … and seeing how lost, confused and disjointed every player looks… it makes complete sense. This team: poor fit HC paired with a terrible DC who is being forced to run a scheme that only a select few teams are successful with. Pair this with closed practices free from media and fan criticism and bottom of the barrel position coaches. This is 1000% on Tepp because nobody worth anything would voluntarily work for the dude. I don’t think he’s as handsy as he had been in daily operations, but this whole disaster is on him. He refuses to hire the type of people that would fast track success. He will never hire a ‘my way or no way’ type coach, which is the ONLY thing that would turn this disaster around.

Canales is what he's from and that's old school Pete Carroll football. Not gonna change and he needs a big armed QB to run his system.

This is not counting Moton's contract which will drop us below $40M and into the low 20's for all team cap space. This didn't have to happen, but the brass went all-in on Bryce. We could have let him walk, went with one of our current guys or signed a RT much cheaper. In an ironic kind of way it's going to cement Bryce's downfall if he can't turn it around. If he's not getting pressured/being sacked and he still stinks, we know Bryce has got to go.

Its literally the aspect of quarterbacking that can be most improved by coaching. No one said he was, what he is happens to be a freak athlete who is willing to change his bad habits and put in work. I watched every game Cam played as a panther and he still had the same sloppy footwork and tendency to revert to trying to out athlete guys late in his career that he did early. Its a main contributor to his being out of the NFL at 31..... he realied entirely on his arm and never learned to consistently add power to his throws from his feet.

No one. Burn it all down and get rid of any carry over. Tillis should be a maybe but it's safer to judt sanitize it all after a complete teardown.

Canales does have a system, way to play the game. It's methodical running to set up the big aggressive pass play downfield. Wilson, Geno, Baker. That's all he knows. Every stop of his career, that's what he was involved with. That's football to him. He isn't a creative type. He was always going to come in and be what he knows. He told us that. and once poo hits the fans, I don't listen to coaches make excuses on the microphone. Canales is being exactly what we hired. When we hired him, it was clear Foxball was returning.

Rhule got the run of the place. This crew was tied to Young and that choice. The fact is they have done a poor job with a few sprinkles of decent mixed in. Frank never made sense. Old, run down and set in his way. Mix in a horrendous approach to filling out his staff and the worst GM in Teppers ear was a mess that absolutely deserved a one and done for all staff and directions. This build is just an extension of the Young debacle playing out with the low quality options attached to that choice. DC was never getting away from Young. That's why he was brought in and the fantasy he would be able to move one after failing was a fan made. Dude is taking huge hits and it's only week 2 lol

If Bryce is our 3rd best player on offense then we are not winning a single game this year.

Bingo, Josh Allen and Cam Newton are as close as two NFL QBs will ever be physically.

If you need to be threatened to be fired to do your job...you should be fired.

Let's see what the final record is this season. But in all likelihood when it's another 5 or less win season, everyone has to go. There are some young pieces to build around but most of the roster needs to be rebuilt. Obviously get rid of Bryce, get him out of the building immediately. Cut him, trade him, whatever it is. I just don't see how keeping him around is helping anything. He's not a starting caliber NFL caliber QB. He's probably going to have a long career as a backup, but he's not a starter. They don't need to go draft a QB right away. Get a veteran stopgap QB and go nuts drafting defense. Build the team up. Get a defensive head coach. It's time to stop trying to be like everyone else and go back to what the Panthers did well which was run the ball and play excellent defense. Draft a QB when the team isn't a sack of flaming garbage.

Id prefer to fire both but DC has had to coach with one hand tied behind his back. He relies on. A QB that can make chunk throws and we'll, that ain't BY. Morgan on the other hand has taken a master class from Scott Fittershits University of Drafting and Management and this is the result. He needs to go.

So it's nothing but hard work? That's bullshit. The Bills did a great job of identifying Allen as a naturally talented passer who had fixable mechanical flaws. Passing accuracy isn't something everyone can just work on and magically improve. I'm sure Josh Allen works his ass off but I'm also sure he's not literally the hardest worker in football history and I have never seen anyone improve so dramatically as a passer. Everyone deserves credit here. Allen for putting in the work and the Bills for identifying his flaws as fixable and helping him fix them.

I think what most likely will happen is keep Morgan and Canales but fire Evero and trade away Young.