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The giveaway was putting on his college tape, sitting in front of the screen with my eyes open, and watching what I'm seeing in front of me.

Sanders was open but he wasn't tall enough to get it there with 2 big boys occupying space in between. It's not always that size matters but a 6'2"+ guy would have had a chance and Cam would have gunned it or ran for a first. Just admit the obvious that his limitations are pretty big and not just his size.

If that wasn't a throw away but an actual pass attempt, then he should be cut right now, not tomorrow, not even just "today" but right this very second.

The record doesn't matter in preseason. It really doesn't matter whose camp bodies win out on the scoreboard. But the eye test certainly matters, especially when you're a bad team. If you're a good team you can kinda brush it off. But a bad team needing to change course and develop confidence? Going out there and having your starters and primary backups looking like unwashed ass is a big red flag.

The drafts are really not looking good. XL obviously had a bad game. Jonathan Brooks is still in the garage until his 3rd season. And check out this interesting play by Trevin Wallace.

From what people have been saying, and I agree with them. Is that he was so good towards the end because there was no pressure to win. We were already out of the playoffs so everything was just icing on the cake. Now with a new season and “expectations” his mental fortitude sucks. He just doesnt have what it takes to make the tough and good decisions in critical moments of a game.

I tried. I’ve been down on him since he came to Carolina. Even when he was doing “well” at the end of last season, I still wasn’t sold because his numbers still didn’t pop out. He was still putting up game manager numbers. He had a really good game against ATL, and with that I told myself I’d be ok with him getting this season to start. After this past performance, I am squarely on the get rid of him train. All this inconsistency; I’m good on it. Ready to move on. I could see him playing decent down the stretch like he did last year, but the pressure will have been relieved by then. Ready to move on.

Renfrow is getting paid to go over the middle… WTH was that crap yesterday.

Fire both. Hell, we fugged up by not cleaning house the first time around. It's been moving pieces ever since Tepper took over. We haven't been able to have a full rebuild because we always do a half ass rebuild where people from the previous regime hang around. Fire EVERY fuggin body, down to the scouts and conditioning team.

Speaking of preseason, I remember people saying preseason doesn’t mean anything, even when you go 0-3. Yesterday looked like another 2025 preseason game.

I’m SMH and trying to figure out how Bryce goes from horrible to being top 10 the last 10 games of 2024 to being horrible again. You watch guys like Allen and Jackson play the way they do and I have to think that maybe Bryce just doesn’t have it.

They definitely should but I don't think they did if they gave him a 70

Right and he didn't even look great at his pro day

This is surreal.

By the same account, I wonder if they dinged him for the shovel pass INT that got gifted back?

Lol did they give curves?

Oh lord, of course he does. Yeah, you're probably right. If Renfrow was bigger he could've won an MMA fight with the DB and still caught that under thrown wounded duck and if he was 6'2" with a 40" vertical maybe he could've reeled in that ball that sailed over his head along the sideline. It's wild how that guy will crucify receivers but just give Bryce pass after pass. Maybe he sees himself in Bryce - a guy who has marginal at best NFL talent but could have maybe succeeded if he was surrounded by a cast of All-Pros.

I have no idea but I'll trust my own two eyes. He's still playing like one of the worst QB's in recent memory.

I don't play Madden anymore - but if they adjust ratings every week, they likely need to put his Awareness down to like a 5 out of 100 after that play and the other play where he couldn't decide whether or not to scramble or throw the ball and didn't really end up doing either one.

Just finished a re-watch of the game, and I can see how they back into "Bryce was fine, actually." You just have to be incredibly charitable to Bryce. The grade basically comes down to how much blame you assign to him for these plays: 1. The goal-line 4th-and-1 where the ball was snapped early. 2. The XL sideline toe-drag failure. 3. The left sideline Renfrow drop. 4. The second left sideline Renfrow missed connection (ugh). 5. The ball going through Dowdle's hands and getting picked. 6. The JT Sanders wheel-route drop. 7. The 4th-and-1 end-zone shot to T-Mac. If you put the drops on the receivers and massage his grade a little due to some quick pressures...sure, you get a passable grade. If you don't, then it looks pretty bad. But the only undeniably, balls-stupid, completely-on-him mistakes I remember right now were the fumble, the pick on the bootleg, and a spray or two. I'll just say that I don't really understand why everyone gets so upset about these grades. We all know they're pretty subjective and should really only be taken seriously over a sample size big enough to even some of these things out. It obviously matters that the offense looked like crap. But that'll all show up in the grades if that remains the case. Maybe they could be better about putting in a range? Like, they could go as low as a 30 or as high as an 80, depending on how you score those things, but they had to settle on something, so here's a 70.

I'm not sure if he was actually throwing it away, or if it was just a completely horrible pass. Regardless, it's inexcusable.

Yeah, that's kinda what I was getting at above. There's no way to create a flawless statistical evaluation model but you gotta have some type of weighted system to account for the impact of truly great or disastrous plays. You can't just grade every play as equally important. Again, the weighting system WILL be flawed but you gotta try and you gotta keep tweaking it to get the grade to best reflect what you're seeing because that's ultimately the goal, right? To create a grading system that accurately reflect the overall play if the player. I mean, even if Bryce had hit on all his near misses and those drops had been caught, he would have STILL had a bad overall game given the impact of the disastrous plays but PFF's system allows those almost plays to help him while downplaying the impact of the disasters. The same is true on the opposite side for a QB who may not have played great overall but had a handful of brilliant plays that had a huge impact on the outcome. Cam had quite a few of those types of games.

He likes XL for some unknown reason. He will probably go in on Renfrow. I mean, not saying Bryce didn't make some good plays but the crippling ones loom large.

Maybe it’s some PR scheme at this point because PFF is saying, Bryce is a top 10 QB thus far into season. He is at the #9 ranking lol.

But given that Stroud threw and looked good wtf