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Mostly revolves around that it can be worse from a GM perspective, and he's done a respectable job here. 2024 FA draft is pretty solid, 2024 draft n/a but trending towards bust with those first two picks, 2025 too early.

Four weeks into the season and it's draft position again

“It’s not all on Burrow.”

You're gonna drive yourself crazy focusing on draft position this early. This is a long, hard slog and spoiler alert... we're gonna win just enough throwaway games post-Thanksgiving to knock us into the bottom portion of the top 10 and give the copers hope that Bryce has turned the corner again.

Top 10 again. At least we are consistent.

The Richardson family needs to somehow regain ownership of the team. Tepper is a slimeball yankee (no offense to my northern friends) and he has brought his slimeball yankee ways with him.

Joe Burrow should probably win the MVP in absentia. The Bengals are every bit as bad as we are sans Burrow.

This should probably be pinned. Just like every year, all hope is lost 4 games into the season. This will be ongoing, but we currently hold the number 8 overall pick. It is extremely likely that we will end up much higher, as I don’t see many winnable games unless we make a change to the burnt out red rocket.

Id start with the scouting and talent evaluators. If they work here now, they shouldn’t. Fire them all. Every one. Then I’d clean out the FO, President, VP, GM everyone. Then all the coaches. Then I’d hire an outside firm to come in and hire football people. Only then can you start to address the pathetic product being slopped on the field. And that will take time and the usual amount of luck.

better to listen but this my brief summary. Panthers discussion about 8 mins of this video mike kaye is around the team and mint st ill take hos word over others 1. Panthers Not able to carry over operationally from 2024 or is a concern 2. still trying to figure themselves out after 21 games in the Canales era 3. Issue Young cannot consistently elevate the product around him 4. on Young, overarching issues were not on young but yet to see he could carry a team. Given that, Is it worth picking up 5th year contract Could be young needs change of scenery and panthers need a new qb 5 discussion of personnel issues etc 6 lot of the approaches are half baked and contradictory

The TMAC pick gives me hope though. Just draft BPA, whether that is QB or not

I said this prior to the draft... Nothing around here will change until we completely overhaul the scouting department, pro and college. I believe Linville or one of the other mods said to wait until after the draft, yet here we are. Bad draft after bad draft FOR YEARS is completely unacceptable. Free agent signings have also been subpar at best. Add bad trades to that mix and you have a perennial cellar dweller. First step should be to hire a GM with a PROVEN record of scouting and talent eval. Keep Tillis for financials and build the right way.

Yup

Both can be true We can be poop, and a lot of the NFL can be in a similar boat!

Yeah Im kind of in the boat of a full house cleaning. I feel like we have been trapped in this off cycle replacement of GMs/HCs ever since we kept Hurney around after firing Ron. I worry though who would come here, especially from the HC angle if Canales only gets two years, and not with his own QB. I think Im in the camp of fire both this year, or give one more year with their choice of QB and see if its any different. I do wonder if Canales regrets declaring BY "our guy" last year when he was on his "good" run. He may have tied himself to the hip with that one.

We’re so focused on crapping on the Panthers. We don’t open our eyes and realize there’s a lot of bad football being played all around the league.

Only way he can affect starting field position is if our abysmal offense actually scores haha

He hit a 57 harder easy in the game before this one. He doesnt have a weak leg, not sure what happened on the one in pats game.

These might be the two softest coaches in the league. Their teams show it. It's going to be like a pillow fight.

Plus you get to kickoff more when you actually score. This play gets more value the more times you can score, because then you're pinning the other team deep more often. Our guy just gets to do this at halftime lol

Oh for sure. We could have the greatest lab built kicker in the history of football and we'd still be getting our ass kicked. LOL

Its just funny because its on our team. The field position makes no difference. We can't move the ball and we struggle to stop anyone. 9 times out of 10 that field position is instantly erased by how bad we are at actual football. It's a neat trick to game the kick offs, but its funny its literally the only thing we can do.

I wouldn't necessarily go that far. I mean, if you can significantly impact the other team's starting field position on kickoffs that should show up in the results in the long term but it's definitely gonna show up in the margins. Putting the ball through the uprights or not is going to be the much louder signal in the data. Neither is gonna matter when you're going out there and just getting straight wood shedded. LOL

Dude. Stop bringing up Wilks like he is the answer. If he were he would be a head coach somewhere right now. Also this team is not that team. Completely different players with different personalities. I agree they need someone who will hold them more accountable. But Tepper will have to settle for whoever will take the job. So here we are.

This schedule to start the season has been pretty light and we still screwed it up