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So we may be on our 4th option at the slot already

Yes. He needs to work on turnovers and accuracy.

The Browns wouldn’t do it

Some of this was good offensive playcalling against our front (the 4 & 1 for example). But interesting on that one it was our 3-4 personnel but we technically had 5 with hands in the dirt. I wouldn't call that a 5-2 but it's what 3-4 teams do in these run commit scenarios. So that playcall restricts us from having 1 more guy to be more fluid in space on the strong side, and we lose lateral containment. Good job by our new safety to call it out presnap, but bad execution by Wallace and Jackson IMO. Trevin with the error. He saw the motion and shifted but took an initial angle towards the handoff not the anticipated location. Bad field awareness. So he was now behind and the Jags had 2 guys to engage Jackson & Moehrig on the outside. Jackson just kind of sloppily engaged Strange. Outside of that, one of the biggest things I'm noticing is a severe, and I mean severe, lack of presnap communication on our defense. It just seems to be Moehrig. He had some iffy angles this game but was far and away doing the most to get our guys in the right place presnap. I think Moehrig is trying to do everything and then some so he's going to be caught out of place because of this. Rozeboom and Wallace aren't doing that (and other things) which is a major concern. Rozeboom took such a excessive first few steps in that last clip, he just gave the Jags a cozy opening to float in a completion. You could see he was pissed. The 2 ILBs in our scheme need to be communicators and quick decision makers. Trevin has the quickness but not the awareness or decision making. Rozeboom doesn't have the quickness and is just average/below-average. We need help there if we want any sort of decent defense this season. The line and OLBs have the ability to stop the run, but not when these 2 are making terrible decisions and allowing teams to play in the middle of the field.

Later in the draft sure! The guy is a tough competitor.

This 3-4 is the death of our defense and has been since Tepper forced it on Ron. We've never had the personnel to implement it correctly and Evero isn't the coach to do it either. It takes years to move from a 4-3 to a 3-4 with good drafting, so with our FO, we should get there by 2194.

I hate how true that is.

To be fair, we are playing complimentary football. Both sides are trash and carrying us straight to the bottom.

Red, you quite literally tried to derail a thread about the defense with your same OP. You don't need to resort to petty insults when you're challenged and unable to defend your opinion effectively.

To be fair the Panthers were 8/15 on 3rd downs. That's pretty decent. The defense being tired also doesnt change the predictable soft defensive play calling.

Lite? I'm not sure there's any 'lite' about him. He reminds me more of Cam than any QB coming out of college since Josh Allen, and Sellers is significantly better as a passer than Josh Allen was coming out of Wyoming. Still raw, yes, but farther along in his development than Allen was and has played against much better competition in the SEC. Now, he hasn't shown the ability to outright carry a team on his back the way Cam did at Auburn, but that's an extraordinarily rare trait for a QB. Most QB prospects don't check that particular box. On the flip side, South Carolina has a lot more talent than Auburn did when Cam was there so Sellers hasn't had to carry them.

The team is in desperate need of complimentary football rather than this, "One side will have to carry the other" Hell we've been in. Offense has to turn clock-killing drives into points and the defense has got to get off of the field on 3rd and long. It's going to be a long season, but there's a light at the end of the tunnel in the form of $70M in cap space for next year and a full slate of draft picks (including MIN's 5th instead of CAR's original 7th). If Bryce looks more of the same then that first rounder is going directly to a QB. If he shows that the end of last season wasn't a mirage then BPA all day, every day.

I don't mind spending the resources either because you have to know if Bryce is the guy. His next contract will be in the 30-50m AAV depending on his play level. Eventually someone that spending is going to have to fall off and when it does, he's still going to need to be that guy. But pretending he's the only QB in the league that has a difficult road to get up to speed is disingenuous. Other QBs are coming in and simply looking more prepared, more talented, and more like an NFL starting QB. All the pre draft hype has been just that, hype. This isn't all his fault. The team has no identity from top to bottom starting with the owner. Maybe he is successful elsewhere, but with this team, this owner, this FO, and this coaching staff, it's going to be hard for anyone, much less someone that needs to be a unicorn in the SB era.

I would take in a heartbeat. With TMacs ability to catch just about everything in a fifteen foot radius, those two together would be freaking dangerous. He isn’t very accurate, yet, but he doesn’t need to be with the type of WR we have. Cam wasn’t very accurate either, that turned out ok.

Reading this was painful and laborious, and that's what happens when the sentences are not punctuated. Jk I agree on all counts.

Really love him as a college qb. His passing makes me question whether he could become an NFL starter. I would pass.

The defense was not good by any means but the two units aren't doing each other any favors. I don't think Evero is particularly good and it appears he may be allergic to youth. If it wasn't for the fact we constantly hear about how our drafts/acquisitions are his idea (and then they fail to pan out) I wouldn't hold nearly as much against him as I do, especially because of spending. Fwiw, the offense is atrocious and it starts at the head of the unit, but many of us have also been very down on XL as well.

We spent a lot of draft capital on Bryce when we had holes all over the roster. Now we still have holes all over the roster but just added the biggest hole of all in the need for a new qb. There is no quick fix. What is needed is a disciplined and patient approach to building back the roster. Unfortunately, we don't have that kind of owner. People on here were actually talking about trading two firsts and a quality player for Micah Parsons. For what? A slightly better D?

Are you kidding me? Two huge money OGs, the highest paid OT in football, a top 10 pick at LT, a top 10 pick at WR, another 1st round WR, a highly paid RB, an offensive minded head coach. We've done everything we could to put Bryce in a position to succeed and that has left us strapped for resources on defense. I think that's the point of this thread and it's honestly probably a fair point. And I should add that I'm not complaining about spending all those resources trying to surround Bryce with talent on offense. When you make the move we did to get Bryce you're all in. It would be dumb NOT to do everything you can at that point to make sure your investment pans out, unfortunately we dumped all our money into a meme coin that went belly up.

Throw all of last year's numbers out as an outlier - he wasn't allowed to field 11 NFL players. How do his numbers stack up then? Genuine question by the way.

DB was getting washed early. Even in 1v1 situations. I think he figured it out later, but they definitely gave him more breaks in this game than I've ever seen him take. There was a play where an olineman rolled B. Brown up. The next play he absolutely wrecked the play. Need that BB to show up early on Sunday.

I think Morgan has had the right general idea. The problem has been in execution. Bryce year 1, there were myriad issues from roster talent to coaching and scheme, but the offensive line was particularly glaring. So they went out and fixed the o-line by signing Hunt and Lewis. That fix actually seems to have been at least moderately successful. Last year, pass rush was a major issue. So they invested along the defensive line and at edge. The problem is, they either expended too many resources over correcting—partially because in free agency, when you’re a shitty franchise, you have to overpay to get talent in the door—or they didn’t make the right picks. It’s probably too early to pass judgment on the free agent class or draft picks as it’s only been one game. So we’ve got a small sample size and rookie edges may take time to develop. But if game 1 is any indication, they didn’t solve the problem.

This is getting out of hand again. I swear some of yall just look for reasons to call out the QB, in an extremely thinly vieled "OFFENSIVE CAP HIT" statement. All of that is offensive line. It was an overreaction to how horrible the guards were in 2023, where guys were starting multiple games that will never take a snap in the NFL again. Speaking of 2023... where did the offensive cap rank then? Where are those WRs playing in the league now? How much are the WRs, TEs and RBs making compared to the rest of the NFL? We have two, 1st round WRs on the roster. And they are the only WRs on the roster picked before the 4th round. One shouldn't have been a first rounder, he's only in his second season, AND he was literally outplayed by an UDFA rookie WR last year - that is currently on IR. The other WR picked before the 4th round has only played one game as a pro. QB play needs to improve. Absolutely no friggin doubt about that. But, come on. That dude has not been dealt a fair hand, no matter how many ways you try to spin it. Let's hope he figures out how to make chicken salad out of the chicken poo this team has served him his entire time here. Hoping that this org finds another Cam Newton is not really a realistic expectation.

Put Young on any team and they would still have to run a limited scheme for him. Put any talent around him and they still have to carry him. IDGAF if we trade him inside the NFCS next year. That is how little I fear ever playing him.

Did you watch him last year? He was one of the most electric players in football.