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this is my hope, prove it to Big Tep BY ain't it, so in the off season you can show why you need to move on

There are two truths currently. We need a new QB room beginning with QB1 and we need to take a long hard look at the available head coaching candidates after the season concludes. Both will happen if we are a serious franchise.

I don’t think Canales has a lot of real big support at all. I think his “supporters” are at the most extreme really just luke warm at best with him. but Bryce Young is his QB. Bryce made the John Fox of offensive coaching Frank Reich look unqualified to coach a 8 year old girls rec flag football team.

Well. I think I'm done with the offensive minded head coach experiment. Let's get a hard nosed defensive minded head coach in here and let him hire his own offensive coordinator.

Exactly this. Either by mandate or his own doing, Canales’ job is not trying to win football games, it’s trying to make Bryce look competent, but the 2 are mutually exclusive. One is very doable, the other is completely impossible. I refuse to give him the out that he is just that dumb because nobody is that dumb. I also refuse to believe that Rico didn’t approach him on the sidelines to voice his frustrations, which if so, obviously didn’t get him anywhere.

I think you know. Apparently winning is secondary to Bryce’s development. Same as it has been. In a way it may be good because we didn’t need to make the playoffs and extend this fuging charade about Bryce being the guy. Better in the long run if he gets enough rope to hang himself with.

Dave Canales is not the problem. He just isn't

I know DC is overthinking this and he really needs to be OC or HC, but how do you call plays with a QB that in all reality, shouldn't be starting. Bryce is wildly inconsistent. He should lean on Rico and the run game, but if he does and wins, it presents a false narrative that Bryce is better than he is and he's potentially stuck with him for another season. If he doesn't, he looks incompetent as a play caller, but it exposes the ugly side of his QB situation that he really does need a QB that can execute at minimum a basic NFL offense with some decent consistency. I feel a little sorry for the guy because he was anchored with Young this season and even more weight with Dalton getting a 2 year deal. He has very little to work with at the most important position on his team and it's not his doing. The trade deadline was approaching and it was plainly obvious we needed to do something but we didn't for whatever reason. I don't think he's a complete bonehead and don't know what he's supposed to do. Win games and potentially keep Bryce or lose them by putting the weight on Bryce's shoulders. Either he succeeds or fails. As a coach I know you're supposed to play to win the game, but do you win now at the ultimate long term detriment to your team and locker room?

I see your level of annoyance. I just don’t see the same level of commitment to the cause. I don’t know who is a 100% go down with the ship Canales stan. You might think I am because I try to be patient about it but you would be wrong.

This is the problem with Bryce at QB. Unless everything goes perfectly the result is likely to be a negative play and everything rarely goes perfectly in the NFL because those are professional football players coached by professional football coaches on the other side of the ball too.

With Young and Canales, this team has both arms tied behind their back. Hard to win when the two most important parts of a football team fail. A running team getting 4.75 yards a carry that doesn't run the ball. Putting the game on a QB who is constantly inconsistent and expecting good things.

I am fine paying him some money. We literally built that offense to be a power rushing offense. So, why we suddenly go pass happy is a fuging mystery to me.

Pete Carroll literally cost himself a 2nd championship with that nonsense! Power running teams throwing on the 1 is just self hate at its finest.

Money makes people do foolish things but with Hubbard already getting paid I don't see it happening from any angle. He damn sure isn't giving this team a discount. Plus the text leads me to think he is already looking forward forward

I think Canales sees the obvious. Think he saw it from the jump. It’s why Bryce Young’s career was essentially ended after 2 games into the season last year. what do you want him to do? It’s a no win situation for him. I think not hiding Bryce and therefore not getting the handful of extra and meaningless wins is the right call in the big picture. Only way to get the org to let him get a QB room that fits the O next year. Every year bodies are available to help teams with QB holes. Only way to put Bryce behind us….to let games like MNF play out

This is kind of what I mean. It's the sams parade of excuses Bryce has gotten. They are just +1 years ahead. This is where basically everyone is going to be about Canales next season.

He would be a fool to return here, TBH.

This is a good take it really is to the point dc needs to let the world see the real byoung b/c right now everyone in the media and tepper has had blinders on when it comes to young. Its hard to even know where the panthers are at skill player wise with such horrible qb play. I doubt it but legette may be a probowl wr he just cant throw the ball and catch it. I am just so sick of every excuse in the book for byoung. LIstened to a podcast and the guy was going over how many different options byoung had on the int and all of them were ok except for the one where he threw an int. He said the play could be run by a hs qb and they would typically make a good decision.

I certainly have my complaints about Canales but I'm not ready to fire him yet for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, Tepper has made this one of the least appealing jobs in the league. Morgan and Canales are here to begin with in large part because guys higher on the wish list take other jobs. If you fire Canales you're gonna end up replacing him with another third tier candidate who wasn't being seriously considered by other teams with openings. That's just the reality of the situation right now as far as I can tell. Secondly, despite plenty of room for critique, we are 6-6 despite the worst QB play in the league. That's really damn hard to pull off in the modern NFL. Especially when your D isn't dominant. Our D is greatly improved but is still a slightly below average overall defense ranking 18th in yards per game allowed and 20th in points allowed. Going 6-6 with atrocious QB play and slightly below average defensive play is pretty damn impressive. Even more impressive when you also factor in that we're in the red on turnovers differential at -3. When you combine league worst QB play with slightly below average D and negative turnover differential honestly you'd expect to be in play for the #1 overall pick, not 6-6 and having just played a game that a win would have you leading the division. So yeah, even though I'm far from sold I advocate for patience with Canales for the time being. If you ask me if I'm bringing him back next year, I'm a yes barring a catastrophic meltdown down the stretch which admittedly is very much a possibility.

Ironically their game plan blew up in their face. Nothing ever works when you try to force it to happen. Now they all look like incompetent fools.

And he isn’t faultless. By any means. But I agree you can’t fairly evaluate anyone with Bryce.

Canales is such a bitch

That is worldwide. Sure it happens here too. The American way is work you way up the ladder. Hard work. Not afraid to get your hands dirty. Or it used to be. or marry the boss’s daughter, that always works too.

I mean, it's really a dumpster fire that very few national analysts are talking about. Bryce is fool's gold cloaked in a few games won on the strength of Rico Dowdle and the defense. Canales appears like a schizophrenic coach because of Bryce's incompetence, and Dave's knowing (and fear) that Bryce is highly prone to effing up on any given play that he has to let the pigskin fly, notwithstanding if the box is stacked or not, but especially when the box is stacked, and there's little that he can do but hope for the best and maybe get lucky.

I think he's been trying to prove a point and also allowing it to play out in case his team owners were right. Also, by listening to him, he doesn't give up on people and wants to keep at it until there's a breakthrough. And I think that it's come to that undeniable spot, the lynchpin of the entire exercise. This team would be playoff bound without a doubt with a QB that had been in the top 24 of the league. Not top 4, not top 10, not even top 20... but a QB that was barely better than the bottom quarter of the league as a passer. He's given everything here and we had that moment against Atlanta where Bryce shined in a desperately dark moment. But this week showed that he can't push the rock over the finish line. He just can't compete at the level needed. Canales got the defensive performance he needs as a HC to win and we've seen Evero get that out there (surprisingly) on a number of occasions this season. And Canales called his own plays against SF, called a pass heavy game like he did in Tampa and Seattle. That's his bread and butter. Bryce couldn't bake the bread, though. It's as simple as that. We have the rest of the team pretty much. We've got a good receiving corps (I'd think given better passing). We have a better o-line than we're given credit for had the QB behind them been braver, taller and more decisive. We have an excellent running backs group. Our defense is strong on the back end, needs linebackers and a better rush, but it's marginally okay and sometimes surprisingly effective. Got a first class rookie kicker and a solid punter. If you evaluate the team and put just a marginally, even average QB in the mix and we'd be two to three games ahead of where we are now. So the math is simple. The only question remains: draft QB and start at square one again, or has Canales got his next QB reclamation project already in mind?