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Its amazing how much better WRs look when the QB throws a catchable ball.

He's 6'1 and fully off his feet just to be in a position to get his fingertips on it. This is what some of us have been saying for weeks about the dynamic between QB and WR being a two way street. Better ball placement means better opportunities.

https://x.com/KeepPurringBen/status/1990436780806373717?t=eLfFG_7d_pki1VjQ7CPFiw&s=19 So now all of sudden according to a lot of fans Bryce could have won us those other 5 Games if he could have been allowed to "sling it around". And anybody with common sense is supposed to believe this??? This the problem i have with this fanbase. They will turn over every rock to excuse Bryce for sub par play. Nevermind just enjoying the win and being glad he finally stepped it up. Gotta throw Canales in the fire because Bryce finally having a good passing game against the ONLY team he has done it against in the past and won.

I think this photo proves it was a bad throw

If you pick the right games, you could take 3 of those GWDs and add up all the Bryce contributions together….and you could get a total of just 1 pass where he threw it 5 yards downfield. if you watched those games, the final drive was “won” by guys that weren’t the QB most isolated singular stats are largely garbage. It would be like looking at QB INTs and then thinking if a guy has 5 INTs he has made less dumb throws than the guy with 8 INTs. Maybe the dude with 8 had WRs tip up a lot good passes and had a couple Hail Marys going into half….

I'm not going to post the NFL video here for copyright reasons but you are welcome to look at both videos on youtube. The Saints occurs at around the 6:10 mark and the Falcons occurs around the 8 minute mark. Just because I like Bryce and point out how a receivers' efforts improved does mean I am trashing them to make Bryce look better. It's simply an observation. Bryce isn't perfect. If you look in this thread, you will see were I joke about him throwing behind receivers in previous games.

If your scared go to church.

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That's why I say it probably mainly has uses in terms of comparing player versus player in terms of career accomplishments. If X and Y players have 150 career starts, a larger percentage of GWD/4QC could indicate a player is more "clutch." As you say, that's really probably more of a detailed look once you have the basic data.

Oh, no! Expectations! Two biggest things that need to go our way relate to injuries. Bryce's ankle doesn't flare up and Wallace can come back. Have to keep scoring and have to limit the damage CMC will do for us.

Well, if he embarrasses Tepper in prime time... we may actually get movement...

Then I see no use for it beyond saying "hey, that was a hell of a comeback". Its really a team stat anyway as it takes the entire team to fully execute a comeback. Game winning drive or not. Besides, every game a team wins could be considered due to the game winning drive at some point in the game. Its just a useless stat unless you isolate it to the qb's contribution only.

I don't think that would garner any useful information. It would probably only be useful in relation to another player and their career. I don't think a season block is useful in any way. GWD data is only useful for career length timespans, IMO.

Where would you send them? I don't know who has the capital to give us something we can leverage the next year or two. I know OKC has a ton of picks, I think maybe ATL too. But I wouldn't want to trade them to ATL and no chance OKC is taking on anything that would disrupt the long term plan they have built. And while I'm here, I was dead wrong about Kon. Kid can play. Total draft looks great.

We aren’t even talking about him specifically at this point. Can you yourself not make everything about him and objectively look at the stat and our criticism of it?

Raw speed is the one thing that can't be taught. That said, we used to have Ted Ginn, a guy who had wheels for days. But, man oh man would Ginn drop the easiest of catches. Still, super fast guy with cannon arm QB was the ideal pairing. T-Mac isn't going to pull away like Ginn but he does all the other things well, especially for a rookie. It's looking like a great pick so far although we really needed to draft someone like him earlier.

That depends. Last year, he was fools gold mostly. He had looked so horrible that even below average play was a big step up and made him look better than he was. He never had a game like Sunday. That was so far above his average… if he can keep that up or close, I think maybe it would be safer to trust that he has had the switch come on. He has a horrible trend of following his best performance with complete poo so if he can stay out of that pattern and give us something good on top of Sunday and to finish the year I would feel a lot better. I am talking high bar, not just not totally sucking.

I think a large part of it falls too on the sheer volume of injuries to receivers and TEs. I can't remember a year when so many players have gone down to injury. It's been a numbers battle since week 6 it seems like.

I am big on big picture stuff, like that idea for example. Zag when everyone else is zigging. Because you will never get anywhere being a middle of the pack follower of trends. At the root is and always will be sound football concepts. Run the ball stop the run. Been hearing that for decades and it holds true through all the shifting trends and fads. If you think about it, we are so far ahead of everyone right now. We are setting the trend of tiny weak armed QBs. Soon everyone will be chasing them then we can swoop in and grab the best out of the old fashioned ones with size and big arms and start a new trend. That has to be the plan we just couldn’t see it.

Some of his roll outs into sacks are pretty bad..

You just can't measure if a guy is that dude or not with numbers. The whole notion of GWD as a statistic is borderline useless. All it tells you is how many times a team took the lead in the 4th quarter and won the game. There's so many factors baked into that both on and off the field. The way coaches adjust in the games. The way referees call games. Injuries, weather, luck, etc. The reason this particular topic is so funny is because nobody realized it even happened. You didn't need a post summing up all of Jake's game winning drives to realize they actually happened. Everyone knew Jake was that dude because he drove the team down into scoring range every single week. The slumdog millionaire run of pass interference calls, etc. There's just too many of them that are not even worth talking about.