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Giants won a Super Bowl with that formula.

He has been that guy the whole time, TBH. Proved it several times previously.

Ole Miss shoulda known it was over when Kiffin's ex wife, brother and son went to see both the Florida and LSU campuses. lol

Yeah. I think it was the 2nd Bucs game in Darnold's last season here where if we won, we could take the division. It seems like they just threw it to Evans over and over and over and over, and we had no answer.

Bout all I gotta say bout that

I might agree. But as long as the coaches don't, then yes, we're "stuck"

That's what I was referencing in the comment about John Fox. Not a single one of us believed that Rodney Peete actually beat out anyone in a true competition. It was all just bullsh-t lip service from John Fox. Week 1 proved it... definitively. Mind you, I don't think Canales would necessarily go that route. He'd likely just say "Bryce is the starter" and leave it at that.

Skip ahead to 18:39 for some Panther praise. https://youtu.be/1O-DLS___Lg?si=6hBhCaWdmcTZvdZe

Since 95% of the Panthers road to the playoffs go through Tampa *follow me on this* tie breaker #1 head to head.... stay with me here..... we lose all the other tie breakers after that so losing to Seatle or NO without sweeping TB = no playoffs they can afford to lose to one of the two... because if they swept tampa and tampa wins their other 3 games we win via.... tie breaker #1. Literally I've run all the scenarios and unless tampa loses to both atl and NO we have to sweep them.

We're not stuck. Stuck is when the guy shows just enough to keep faith with him. We're way beyond that point. Move. On.

Know who had phenomenal, "best in the league" completion percentage some years back? David Carr The problem with the vast majority of football stats (even "Next Gen" stats) is that they tend to be inextricably entwined with someone else's performance. Completion percentage is affected by drops, bad routes, etc. Interceptions aren't always a quarterback's fault, but nobody else gets blamed for them. If a tackle gives up a sack, it might be because someone else missed their assignment on a given play. There's too many different possibilities, and unless you're willing to go back and watch a sh-tload of film, you're not going to understand everything that happened. That's why I just trust my eyes.

I mean, I don't think there is much chance of a "competition" anyway. He is either gonna be the guy or they are gonna move on from him.

Again, the Bryce stans need to get on the same page. It was just complained about when I didn’t include 2023 on another discussion and left it out. Because they wanted to talk about his growth. the Bryce stans bring up Trevor, not the haters I have never said Trevor is above average lol as a NFL QB. but yes, Trevor can be a headache basket case AND the league leaders in drops can be a big letdown (paired with injury) in a convo where someone calls them great. They have been hurt and dropping the ball unlike any other team. Thats not great weapons at your disposal if they are hurt and not catching

Baker is soo rude and bitter I hope we beat them twice

That I knew. I mistakenly thought he meant someone had brought him up in this thread.

Is refer you back to 2003 when John Fox said that Rodney Peete "won" the "open competition" for the starting role in Week 1...even though he only played like a single series in preseason.

He's been suggested a few times as someone with the physical skills who was young and could possibly fit the system DC runs. A throw it at the wall and see if he sticks option.

Who suggested Lance?

Again, no one cares about 2023 If they did, everyone would want Kirk Cousins. As far as he being slightly below average with bad throw, he is. Young's at 17.5% and the average is 16.3%. When you do the math that comes out to be 4 bad throws over 13 games. Statistically insignificant. Certainly not worth trashing a guy over. And it seems to me it is you trying to use Trevor to make Young look worse. After all, you are the one who claimed Trevor was above average and claimed his struggles this year are from "The Jags skill positions players have been a big let down this year." I'm just responding to your claims.

Thats exactly what indicating considering you responded to my comment Trevor has the better line, weapon and coaches. And defense which gives him better field position

I agree, I just think Bryce will lose.

Here's the thing. You compared him to Jake. Jake was signed to the practice squad out of college. Bryce was the number 1 overall. Their expectations are wildly different and so are their contracts. You can talk all you want about what a player is and where they are now and all this other mumbo jumbo, but Jake never had a 5th year option and we weren't talking about the possibility of a top 5 QB contract extension at the end of his 3rd year. What he was expected to be matters because we invested heavily at a cost of future capital, including a 2nd round pick this year, for him to be that guy. The cost to add Bryce took value from the team. To be worth it, he has to add that value back. Actually, I don't prefer yards, TDs, or only INTs. All those stats by themselves are misleading which is why I said you have to use a lot of different stats. ADOT - Average depth of target. Completion %. Pretty obvious until you factor in ADOT. 0-5 has a lot higher C% than 10-15%. Hang time. If a pass is in the air for 4.6 seconds vs 3.1 on a 40 yards throw, that gives a DB a lot of time to correct. Is it a loft or is it a laser. EPA - Expected points added. A way of measuring QB efficiency on every play. CPOE - ranking pass completions based on several factors, not just the throw. There's obviously more, but those are the more common. Typical stats don't show everything. You need to look all over. Looking at a stat line is lazy. That's why I said, you need to analyze everything. Once you start looking at the numbers you start looking at the player. That's why you follow numbers. They lead you places. You look at what happening when the numbers show you patterns. That's where you start finding the problems that yards, TDs and Ints won't show you.

It's not relevant who wins or loses. It's about actually attempting to get better at the position.

Thank you. I don't understand how the Bryce stans don't see this. I've never seen a player get more hyped for doing so little. Honestly it's driving me a little insane.

Exactly, Bryce will lose. If the draft pick is halfway decent he beats out Bryce as well.