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At least he will be making it easy for us if he dogs it this way. I know we aren’t a social thing it is production, but I wonder if there is something in his personal or family life that is twisting him up.

The Panthers rank like #9 in the league in average attendance right now, 11 last year and 8 the year before. Things aren't as bad as we think or feel. The team has historically always sold seats regardless which could be attributed to corporate events and companies buying a chunk and also opposing teams' fans showing up (oof). On top of that profit sharing counts for like 60% of most teams' income. You don't have to be good to make money. It's like wrestling, you need your jobbers for the rest of the league to beat up on. This is one of the fastest grouping markets in America.... this team is not going anywhere. I don't think the NFL would allow it either because it's a money maker. Though I too share in the sentiment that maybe if they left it would end the suffering.

I mean, it is yet another year on top of a big stack of years, if it fails. But I think that is reasonable. That’s three years and fair enough.

I am gonna be honest, at XL's extreme best moments for us so far, he has looked decent. That is a problem already. It hasn't taken Coker(a UDFA, mind you) or TMac to need a competent QB to show plenty of flashes. Hell, Tremayne has looked markedly better than XL. Same dumpster fire QB. There is no excuse to be giving next to no effort and mailing it in like XL has been this season. And that's after a season marked by drops and boneheaded plays. The truth is, he isn't an NFL player. Even a little bit. It's up to him if he ever wants to attempt it, but he hasn't so far.

I want XL to be right because he is sort of a homie, local and state and on the pro home team. He has good things going for him but this year he is way off on the wrong foot. That getting ejected from the preseason game on what was it, the first play? WTF. Loafing, not having your head in the game situationally, WTF man. A d I am not even talking about his drops last year which I could dismiss if he came in right. Better step it up or he will be last option to catch a ball from any new and better QB that might come along.

Sounds exactly like the Panthers.

Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster and His infinte noodly wisdom!!!

Calling my shot now... 19-5 gonna be top pairing in the NHL this season.

I don’t think Sam was that bad here in 2022. I would have kept him and kept looking for a good undervalued guy to groom. Anyhow about the owner. Was it the 49ers that the owners did a lot of the same type of crap we see from a Tepper, and then finally figured it out? if not them, I am thinking of someone but can’t pull it up from the old hard drive. If this whole Bryce fiasco doesn’t do it for Tepper I don’t know what will.

That 7 yard hail mary on Sunday told you all you need to know. lol

I get that. When you said Funchess, I knew that he only looked good here and the same for Philly. I was really mad about the Benjamin over Devante Adams and the Funchess over Stephon Diggs picks. We would've no doubt had the talent to beat the all time defense of the Broncos. Rant over, I believe that the kid has looked decent at times, but being all out on him at this stage is a bit premature. I am with you on the going elsewhere and balling out though. People are saying that about Bryce and I feel if he can't look even competent here it isn't going to look better elsewhere. I am just saying we wait till at least there is continued competence at QB before we start labeling our WRs busts 19 games into their careers.

There is always at least one. I am probably crazy but I don’t think we are gonna lose this game. Nothing to do with analysis, I just kind of feel it. I could make an analysis case too probably, with Tyreek Hill being out and Tua not being much better than Bryce.

Ever said something you knew you'd eventually regret? Ever been too stupid or naive to realize you said it? Ever watched future self just kiss millions and millions of dollars goodbye? Dude. Really.

I dont think you can fire him either but I do wonder what tepper would do if we dont crack 5 wins. On the flip side we cannot let Dave pick a qb in the draft if his seat is hot. Its a conundrum for sure. One of Teppers makings.

Hate to say it but we can't fire DC right now. He was basically forced to work with BY as part of his conditions for being hired and hasn't really had the opportunity to get a QB of his own. That's not a good look when you're interviewing new candidates. A coach has to be given the chance to do his job with players that fit what he does and DC hasn't been given that chance. Fire him and you're putting another box on the list to keep coaches from coming here. Plus, Morgan needs to be given another year as well so he can either show he's can have a successful draft or he's a bust as well so the whole damn show can be flipped and started over with a president of football operations and build from there. No more hold overs. Empty the damn building and start with a brand new staff.

It's both column A and column B. Bryce ain't going to make it as an NFL starting QB. At least not here and probably not ever, the physical limitations just can't seem to be overcome consistently. And that's a shame because, well, he's a good kid and I wish it had worked out for him and us. But also, this ain't working out here as a team. We're poorly built from bottom to top. There's no consistency in coaching, there's no team identity, there's no grit, no depth and seemingly little plan or resistance to market influences that get us to buy high and sell low. We have a few guys we call star players that would, well, be starters on other teams, and a crap ton of starters that would be back-ups, bench sitters or free agents outside of this organization. No QB is going to come here and have much success. Much like Rodgers with the Jets, we just don't have fug all for a team. The QB, no matter the pedigree, can't pull us out of the mudhole we have created for ourselves as we've wallowed over the last seven years. No matter how high we draft a QB here, we'd just be planting a seed on rocky soil. It wouldn't survive. Look at Mac Jones and how he has played over three games in San Fran. He was supposed to be a total career washout, another 'Bama Bust. Guy looks like he can handle the game, because he has a well coached, professional team around him. One that has a lot of injured stars, but still fights to win. And you can look at Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, two guys who washed up on our deserted desert island and floundered mightily here. But man, put them on solid teams and they both are living up to their original draft status. To be perfectly honest, this poo won't change until we, as an organization, change down deep. There has to be a total sea change here. We can't make the owners go away, but we can pressure for them to blow this thing completely up and hire in a handful of consultants, perhaps retired GMs and HCs with winning programs in the N-fuging-FL. Then remake it all. Management, coaching, team, trainers, scouts, even equipment folks. Sorry, I'm tired of this pile of horseshit we call a team. It has just eaten alive the careers of many young athletes and all of us fans since the change in ownership.

The stans excuse for this weekends loss.

In my attempts to get people to look at this possibility, included pitchers because they are the prime example for that. They work at a few percentage points under their max effort because the accuracy is so much improved. So if you have a natural gun and can still get above MLB average velocity when you take some off, that’s the guy you want.

Id like to see Canales with a non Bryce QB and a different dc before firing him

That’s me too. There are exceptions. Dan Campbell is tough his teams are tough. He was a big old TE and was tough. But the norm seems to be finesse teams come from offensive guys. That has always been my impression.

Yeah that's why I don't put any stock into the Combine max velocity figures. All that matters is how well you generate velocity in game situations. I don't care how hard you can throw when you have all day and wind up like a baseball pitcher. It's just not relevant to an actual football game. Kirk Cousins threw the ball 10mph faster at the Combine than Lamar Jackson. Cousins (and Goff too for that matter) was right up there with Allen and Mahomes in terms of max velocity. Does that show up on an NFL field?

That could be. No one paid attention but I posted a video last year of two NFL QBs I forget which two, but they ran a test with velocity reader thing. What it was was first throw at a target with your normal comfortable motion. 20 yards maybe which gets you what, 12-15 yards downfield? Anyhow they were hitting the net or whatever they were throwing to. Next you throw your ‘fastball’ (high effort). They were missing high a lot. Predominantly high, but the accuracy suffered. So if you are a guy that has to try harder to get the same velocity, that you might need, that is something that you are likely going to see, less accuracy and missing high.

For the fug of it Luke HC Rivera DC Olsen OC It could not be worse....though Luke might be a better coordinator type. Olsen might be more HC type personality

Bojangles owner, cheerwine head coach, cpi dc, harris teeter oc, smithfield OL coach

yeah 100%. We are losing kids from football too, to non American games like ahem,soccer. Nobody gave a damn about soccer when I was a kid. Long time ago. So it’s good they are doing that for that reason too