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yep so its essentially working against us

Solid point about the rookie contract especially since I believe Tepper and company brought that up, he was so good we could sign other players while he is on a rookie deal and capitalize on the cap space. Sorta like Seattle did with Russ while he was on a rookie deal. But, problem is Bryce isn’t close to that version of Russ and Tepper sucks as an owner.

Look at who they’re interviewing there. parcels, aikman, Peyton etc. the youngest guy is KOC who’s forty. The passing game 25, 35, 45 years ago looked less glamorous to be sure but it was far more complex. You didn’t have these packages where you’d make quick checks, every play was its own thing, basically everyone was playing under center etc. once the nfl got out of the dead ball era things became very complex very quickly and they hadnt figured out a way to truncate it. Plus it was nowhere in college or high school. Vertical passing attacks just didn’t exist. So yeah parcells probably does have that view because that’s what he came up in. Aikman had to learn that when he got to the nfl. Aikman was so lost his rookie season the cowboys almost took Jeff George first overall in 1990. Today the learning curve is a lot lower. pro concepts today borrow a great deal from the college game now. Tons of air raid stuff, RPO, pistol, etc. even though everything is faster at every position, it’s schematically more simple. The learning curve is nowhere near what it was for even Peyton manning when he came out. plus, prospects today are basically pro qbs from the time they’re in middle school. Bryce Young for example lived in invite only qb camps since he reached his max height at 12 years old. The whole “they shouldn’t get paid because they get a degree for free” was always just an insincere argument from racist old people, but no one even pretends to make it anymore. Playing qb at a division 1 school is a full time job for years before you even get to campus. And that is all they do. The days of people excelling in multiple sports to the point there’s pro interest and then just choosing one or the other and succeeding are over. Aikman was drafted by the Mets out of high school and decided to go start as a freshman at Oklahoma. The exact opposite is happening now, to the point you’ve got guys going to play baseball for a few years, coming back to college football, and playing until they’re like 27. that’s actually one of the theories about why darnold isn’t better than everyone feels he should be. He only played two years of college football. In highschool he was first team all everything in every sport. Dude has an insane athletic pedigree. But there’s at least four years of highschool invite camps he never got to go to. You can’t just be the most athletic guy in the room anymore. So obviously the older guys are complaining about how things are done; it’s what offer guys do. But the pro game today is much more accessible for these guys than it was back in their day, and the players are more ready for the transition. Like is anyone defending Anthony Richardson? What im saying is we know what Bryce young is and we should t wait for waiting’s sake.

We where to good for those guys.........don't ya know???? Now look at the sh%t storm we have......

Lest see....an OROY or a dude who has to be benched for old man Dalton to throw a Hail Mary. That's a tough one. lol

How many QBs hit from any school? I've seen these arguments a lot but honestly so few even hit that it looks bad for most. Recent history on UNC for example, Mitch bust, and Howell was at one time a 1st rounder dropped to 5th and is now on his 3rd team, so maybe the Pats shouldn't have drafted Maye? Nah you never scout the school. Even the ones you mentioned are outliers in their own schools. Baker was dominated for a pretty dominate school, but I can't think of many Oklahoma QBs aside from him. It takes so much for these guys to find success. Clemson had Watson and then he fell off mentally, Lawrence isn't living up to his hype, Cade is struggling before he is even drafted, Whitehurst and Boyd never did anything, and Dantzler had to change positions.

Not gonna start a thread on this but AJ Brown seems pretty unhappy. I wonder if they lose a few games if they’d be willing to listen to an XL trade + a pick for AJ. Opens up cap space for them, and I do think XL could have a really solid role on that offense. TMac + AJ would be a top 5 WR corp

I gotta disagree with this. Shaq was a very good LB. He just stood in the shadows of two greats. And this team has felt his loss from the injuries and now his moving on. We were better against the run with him here.

i see it now i just don't think people stop & truly see what we have invested in Bryce Young as a #1 overall pick .anytime you draft a #1 overall pick they should be almost ready to start from day one not just in football but any sport or you should not draft them in the first place with the #1 overall pick. if you know beforehand it's going to take years to develop them into maybe a good Qb then that's not only a huge red flag but also a player you take a flyer on in the latter rounds

Bryce young on another team isn't going to magically make him 6'2 and able to throw past 20 yards

Me neither. That's why I said my entire issue with Shaq all along really wasn't about Shaq, it was about the outsized resources the Panthers chose to invest in him.

Its my dream that Young will someday be the starting QB for the Falcons. Please!

I was thinking Stranger Thing.

100%, being patient is probably good in the grand scheme of things but with the rookie deal it doesnt allow for that if you are a qb like bryce and you havent shown jack poo. So its 3 years and off you go. but if you somehow get a good qb on a rookie deal you can weaponize it

I'm just saying if you made a list of all the dominant Bama, OSU, UGA college QBs out there competing for nattys and blowing folks up.......how many have ever really hit a the next level (regardless of draft status). It just seems like that's not where you find a QB. That's where you find the players for around your QB. Then you look at who the actual dominant NFL QBs are. You got a Texas Tech. A North Dakota. A Louisville. I mean you got a Burrow that would run counter to my train of thought but yeah, it gets really tough to judge these dudes that were playing on basically college all star rosters.

I'm sure he's sniffed around.

For me it was the incompletion to Sanders. Yes, Sanders still should have caught the ball anyways, but Bryce had to make a jump pass from a standing still position because of his height and oncoming pass rusher. Because of that combined with his weak arm, it was a low pass, whereas a QB with a real NFL arm (and size) is making that throw with ease and still hitting the receiver in the chest with the ball, not down by their knees.

That’s fair but I can’t knock him for accepting the money our FO offered him.

It's all good. I think that in general, we may be too impatient, but when you see some guys, like Bryce, there's just nothing you can do with them.

Bryce is into…darker…things.

It amazes me that people still fall for Bryce padding stats against prevent defense. He looked like trash to start off the game because the Cardinals were running their game plan. Once up big they started focusing on containment with their rush and soft zone coverage just to avoid giving up chunk plays. Why? I don't know. NFL coaches for the most part are just super conservative and risk averse. Let's stop doing what's working spectacularly because we're scared. As soon as they were forced to abandon the prevent D and go back to playing aggressively Bryce went right back to looking like trash again immediately.

or he is banging nicole

I get your point but I don't think Young would do dramatically better as starting QB on any other team in the league. Maybe the UFL

I'm not talking about anyone specific. We were talking about qb development. That applies to any qb drafted back then whether he was the first pick or not.

go back and watch the 3rd and 15 to Tremayne. He was open and bryce did he little hop throw and in the process went off his wrong foot thus not creating any drive on the ball and that allowed not 1 but 2 card defenders to break up the past. There are examples like that littered from Sunday