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Most of the super bowls in that time period were won by two QBs, or players drafted prior to 2000. Since when was winning the superbowl the only measure of success

less then 6 wins and another shitty offense and DC needs to hit the bricks

A break was really untimely for them hopefully they get hot again quick

That is true, but I cannot overlook what he has been given at QB. A question that is likely to never be answered: what plays would he call if he had a QB that isn’t so limited?

Stability in terms of culture and whatnot sure we are night and day from the Rhule foolishness. In terms of playcalling and in game management and needing to somehow reflect on the fact he should have kept the hot hand going when Rico Dowdle was playing as well as he was ehhhhhhh. He's also led us to the 30th and 26th passing offenses the last two years. And he needed other teams to do the lifting for us just to win a pitiful iteration of the NFCS. Dave Canales has as much to prove in his third year as just about anyone else in the league.

I'm just saying almost everyone drafted in the top 5 of the draft is going to get multiple years as a starter before the team that drafted them cuts bait. Now whether or not you think they got a fair shake at it or not is a different conversation, but if you get multiple years starting I don't consider that a "short leash". Simply being a high pick almost always buys you a significant leash.

If you don't have the strength to handle the power rusher you have to use his size and strength against him and change his angle of approach to open the holes. Foot speed and agility matter more for that technique. It's just a different approach to hopefully get the same results.

All QBs drafted in the first round from 2009 to 2016 were released from the team that drafted them. I'm not going through the list for you. There are two of them that we should all be extremely familiar with in Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, however. "Short leash" has a double meaning here. One, not enough time, and/or two, unrealistic expectations of just how much they should be carrying the team. Baker had 4 years in Cleveland, for example, but three of those were very solid seasons. For whatever reason, the fact that he wasn't a world beater meant he should be discarded.

Apparently some in the mediasphere are blowing up LaMelo's accident in his Hummer. Scott Fowler who never wanted us to draft him did Scott Fowler things in an interview and unfortunately LaMelo took the bait. Much bigger concern are these awful games from both him and Brandon Miller. And while I am certainly a believer that Miller has plenty of time to get it figured out the reality is we've been saying the same thing about LaMelo's at times very hot and cold game for what seems like forever now as he is going on into his sixth year. Regardless of the short lived win streak which feels more like a mirage than anything honestly. The Hornets should still leave every available option on the table after the season.

They will be getting the opportunity.... 5-0 usa after 2

Well it's not exactly new information that you don't have to draft a QB in the top 5 to compete for a championship. But the poorly run organizations end up with the first three picks. Most of the QB's drafted there never stand a chance. And then you have teams like the Panthers led by the Tepper's that would rather make a big splash to serve their own egos and get talked about in the media for several weeks by trading all the way up than actually being intelligent and strategic and staying put. Worst outcome in that is if you miss you can try again without mortaging your future. But there is another layer in all this. The league is changing again. Even a guy like Darnold with all his physical tools every box checked in that area did very little in the Super Bowl. Seattle had a stout roster all around. Same thing with the Eagles when they blew out the Chiefs. Yet here we are stuck with the tiniest QB in the league.

Which highly drafted QBs have actually experienced having a short leash? Most of these guys get multiple years of starting to show what they have.

I actually think Cam Newton is directly to blame for the crazy short leash these QBs are given now. He was so good so early in his career that he reset the standard for young QB play. Before he showed up it wasn't uncommon for the learning curve to be a full two or three seasons. The high draft pick guys that had short careers prior to him typically had injuries or off field issues.

As long as it's not another WR or TE.

1. Find a way to get to the QB with 4 2. Build the OL for now and the future That's the only 2 goals I care about currently with high draft capital. Fill the other spots in FA.

Solak at ESPN ranks the best available FAs, good and bad for us. 1. Edge rusher Good year to need ... any sort of edge rusher at all (that's us) Bad year to need ... a truly elite dude (unless you'd like to send two first-rounders for Maxx Crosby) 2. Interior offensive line Good year to need ... a guard (we have our guards) Bad year to need ... a really big center (we need a center) 6. Linebacker Good year to need ... a difference-maker Bad year to need ... a difference-maker and not have a top-10 pick 7. Offensive tackle Good year to need ... a starter for 2027 Bad year to need ... a starter for 2026 (looks like Nijman for us) https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47958363/2026-nfl-offseason-ranking-positions-free-agency-draft-class-deep-thin

Fins giving the Canucks all they can handle. US winning Gold vs anyone is fine, but beating Canada in the Gold Medal game would be great.

I think that’s all a part of the right answer. I think it really boils down to a combination of bad teams and drafting dudes who really should not be drafted as high as they are.

Darnold, Mahomes (3), Stafford, Manning, Flacco, Eli, Rodgers, and Big Ben were all 1st round QBs some had to get traded to better teams and Brady makes up 7 of the other wins. So I'm seeing Hurts, Foles, Russ, Brees, and Brad Johnson as the only non-Brady QBs that weren't originally taken in the 1st round. Foles and Johnson were absolutely carried by their loaded teams. So the odds of drafting a Super Bowl winning QB not in the first round are really low and two of the recent 5 not named Brady are QBs you wouldn't want to really build around. Hell Foles is probably available right now. If you are looking for any sort of odds from this data is might be to sign a former 1st round QB that struggled on a bad team or keep drafting 6th round QBs and hope they magically turn into Brady.... There is also the build and elite defense and plug whoever you want back there with Hurts, Foles, Russ, and possibly Darnold.

I think evaluating QBs making the transition to the NFL is just a lot harder and more nuanced than draftniks make it out to be. That and the rookie wage scale means that if you don't have a franchise QB on the roster and you think this guy might be one you're almost forced to draft him now that you're protected from giving that guy a future HOFer type contract before he ever plays an NFL down. The expectation for mist of these guys to play right away is also not helping IMO.

Plenty of good teams made it to Super Bowls and some even won with meh QBs. Takes solid defense, good offensive planning and play calling and a helluva lot of magic. And I think the great QB elevating a team thing is overplayed too much. History just doesn't bear it out. Sure, it can lift a moderately good team like Mahomes did with the Chiefs, or Hurts did with the Eagles. And one can argue about Brady and the Pats (or even Bucs) but if you look at those Patriot and Buccaneer teams... there was something very solid in place already. Heck, the whole idea that a single player can make or break an NFL team is vastly overplayed. The Cowboys have had a roster full of "star" players for decades now and have gotten bupkus in return. The Raiders have chased everything they could and have floundered mightily. The Giants have had star after star and nothing. It's just hard to sell posters of a team. Give the marketing people a star though...

Seems you found the "exception" to the OP. Eli wasn't actually drafted by the Giants. But that's the only team he ever played for since he refused to go to San Diego.

Because the teams/FOs suck. The way I figure it, if one team can win with a Matthew Stafford or Sam Darnold, then another can, especially since they drafted them. Again, the reason that they didn't win a championship is because FOs and HCs aren't doing good jobs at the end of the day with team building, identifying strengths and weaknesses, and ultimately putting QBs into the best situations to succeed.

I get the argument, but I feel like half of the super bowls won in that time frame have been by Brady or Mahomes

I think an interesting follow up would be how many of those QBs went on to win a Super Bowl at all. From some quick chatGPT questions, it seems only 3 of them (Eli Manning, Matthew Stafford, and Sam Darnold) have gone on to win a Super Bowl as a starter. While teams picking in the top 5 generally aren’t great organizations, I think the fact that 34/37 haven’t won Super Bowls can’t just be pinned on the organizations. Maybe quite a few of those guys never should have been top 5 picks. Here’s looking at guys like Blake Bortles, Mitch Trubisky, Joey Harrington, Bryce Young, Tua, Mark Sanchez, and the list goes on and on. Maybe there is just something wrong with QB draft evaluations, as many analysts thought the majority of those 37 dudes were top 5 picks.