kungfoodude

No, he really wasn't. Agree to disagree. Agree to disagree. We only remember him fondly because of how poor the tackles around him were. He was an average to slightly above average LT. Now, you could certainly argue that those are becoming rarer. That I would certainly agree with.

Nah, I'm good on that. I would trade those picks for Orlando Brown Jr. I would not trade those picks for Michael Oher. He was serviceable. He looked better than he was because of the guys that preceded him. Russell Okung was a far better LT here than Oher ever was, IMO.

And I am also okay trading up above #8 provided it makes sense. Trading anything more than maybe a future 1st and a mid-rounder is going to give me a lot of heartburn. Even at that price, it's gonna sting. Let's hope the QB market goes bananas and a lot of these QB thirsty teams get their situations established before the draft.

I am a big believer in Lance because he has the highest ceiling of any of the other QB's in the draft and has some potentially elite intangibles. However.....he is still not a sure bet and pushing a bunch of chips into the pot with the potential to bust.....not gonna do a lot for our future as a franchise. You better be REALLY sure in your evaluation. In theory I would love to have Watson. To me, it's about the price. I do realize that he has 10+ years left in the league but if we trade the farm(especially if we give up guys like Burns or Chinn or Moore) then you basically reset your rebuild close to square one but with an elite QB. Does that make us better? Yeah. Does that make us good? Probably not. So, I would love nothing more than to have Watson but if it costs us the farm in terms of existing talent(of which we have so little) or in terms of future draft capital(of which we need so badly).....is the net win big enough to matter? If at the end of Watson's current contract, he doesn't want to stick around here, would it even be worth it?

I would not trade a third for what Oher was for us. I might trade a 5th or a 6th.

I mean, everyone knows what the Pro Days are about. Yeah, this year is going to separate the men from the boys in your scouting film room.

Oh they did cancel the Combine completely. Oof. Yeah....that is rough. Very glad we got the Senior Bowl.

Still a lot of time and potential QB moves out there that could impact what we do. Safe to say that looking back at these January/February/early March mock drafts will illicit a lot of laughs in April/May.

Are they doing satellite combines still? If so, they should get at least some information. I guess the biggest loss is the pro days, the opt outs and the smaller school guys who didn't play.

Well, Lance in this scenario would cost a first and second. Watson will probably cost more than that. Maybe substantially and that is under the heavy assumption that he would actually want to come here.

Yeah. Little is just a flat bust. There is no way to get around that fact. He was less effective than Rashaan Gaulden.

He will be in.

Don't bother engaging with 4Corners. He is a bottom 5 poster on this forum.

Yeah but at least they came away with actual hardware. We didn't.

That is just you not liking him, so your arguments have no basis in anything rational. Him being upset about the poo OL is a thing I am sure quite a few starting QB's in the NFL are currently upset about. You think Mahomes was pumped to see Remmers getting ass blasted Sunday?

Nah, I wouldn't take Rattler or Howell ahead of either of them. Maybe Wilson but that is a stretch too. Those guys may be a little more ready to step in and play right away than Lance but neither of them have anywhere near the ceiling that Lance does and Fields to an extent.

Right now I wouldn't rate any of those 2022 QB's ahead of the top 4 QB's in this class. Maybe Rattler but I think that is a stretch too.

It just depends on what shakes out. This is also a draft that is a little top heavy on WR prospects. Perhaps they aren't as sold on Hurts as they claim(I certainly wouldn't be) and they take a QB? The offseason is already so crazy so far, it makes getting a read on most of those top ten teams super difficult.

Yes you can. There are multiple examples of this in the NFL. The problem is that Seattle has struggled building an OL for years. It isn't some new problem. This is the same struggle Cam had and he was on a very team friendly deal. The issue isn't money, the issue is that the Seahawks don't make OL a priority the same way we never do. That isn't a recipe for success.

The four QB's should be the priority but if Slater or Sewell drop, that should be the pick. Outside of that, whatever "can't miss" prospect is available. Maybe the LSU WR?

Exactly. And part of what Russell is probably bitching about(and what Cam and Teddy could bitch about) is the lack of being able to sign or draft quality offensive linemen. We may not be able to pay Moton what he is worth, because you have to make hard choices and great RT's aren't as valuable or hard to find as LT's are. We signed Matt Kalil to a monstrous contract and he was terrible. We signed a LG to a massive contract(not a position that requires a massive contract). We signed Matt Paradis to a large contract he hasn't lived up to. We traded up to acquire a guy like Little who the rest of the league took a hard pass on. So it isn't just that you need to go out and spend mega-bucks in free agency. You need to fuging be smart about building an OL. Shrewd free agent acquisitions, SMART drafting, etc. I don't see why every draft you don't take at least 1 OL or DL player. You can't afford to keep everyone around forever(ask the Saints). So if you can crush drafting, pick and choose the guys you pay. That doesn't include paying mega-bucks to low positional value players like OG, LB and RB, which we have done the past few years.

I think the issue here is largely that the the bulk of the people have no earthly idea about the salary cap, cap percentage, signing bonuses, etc, etc. If you want to compare all the elite QB's and their historic cap hits(even some legacy players) go to OTC and search their contract history. It will show you that although Wilson or Watson or Mahomes have this massive contracts, their projected and past cap hits have largely been in line with what elite NFL QB's command.

He spent 10 years of his career at between 10-15% cap utilization. He could have gotten more but he also wasn't exactly getting paid peanuts. For the bulk of his career he was the highest paid player on the Pats.

The maximum cap on Russell's contract is 17.6% of the salary cap. That is in line with most elite QB's in the league. I think the largest cap hit I can recall was Peyton Manning at 20.5%.

Okay, I was just going to point out that Trubisky is actually a free agent.