WarPanthers89

We are sitting at $35,231,683 cap currently. Idk if releasing Paradis is going to happen. We already have to fill three starting roles on the line this offseason, and that’s with the assumption we tag Moton. That may be asking a lot compared to the savings you would get from cutting him. He already has a year in our offense, and that is an incredibly important role.

Cutting Palardy and Weatherly, Combined with this week's release of veteran defensive tackle Kawann Short, the Panthers have carved around $16.4 million worth of space off the cap. This total does NOT include the savings from Boston who will likely be a post June 1st cut saving and additional $3,550,000 this year and $4,990,000 next year with dead cap of $2,666,666 this season as well as next season. Total for all the cuts: $19,950,000 saved.

Can you imagine if Herbert fell to us last year.... Jesus take the wheel.

Same years here for 25 years, but finding a franchise QB excites me. We’ve really only had one, which changed our franchise completely until health ended it. We have one other example in our history so it’s about time we put forth an aggressive effort. That’s one of the reasons we haven’t had back to back winning seasons in our 25 years...look at the QB’s. Other than Cam Newton the best QB play we have had is....Jake Delhomme.

We were talking about the young QB prospects originally. I get that you are negative about any decisions we make or could make in the future, but this rant is just off topic. Yeah nothing is guaranteed in the NFL, we could have a horrible owner, our coach could suck, our gm could be fired in a year, but what does that have to do with finding a franchise QB. In order to get one, you have to take risk, and until we do, we won’t win.

I know what you are attempting with this comparison but it’s just a bad one (and an old one...dudes 50 years old now). We are not winning anything without a franchise QB, and it’s the one position you have to take risk at. If your not drafting top 3 you have to take risk to get your guy in the draft, pray he falls to you, or take other risk by trading picks and paying big money for a QB from another team (which brings its own risk)because they are making much more than someone on a rookie deal, and possibly limiting cap to build your team. You are going to have a risk any way you Look at it if you are looking for a franchise QB.

When have you seen the Panthers “shoot their shot” recently on a franchise QB?

So update: With Weather cut and including dead cap (SMH my bad on that terrible mistake) we will be sitting around 22-24 million

Next low hanging fruit is Stephen Weatherly with a cap hit of $7,906,250. if cut he will carry 2 million flat in dead cap so we will save $5,906,250. This will bring our total cap space to: $44,353,839

After cutting KK Short today we saved $8,603,250 in cap, and will eat $11,017,000 in dead cap this season. Total dead cap so far in 2021 is right at $20,172,807 thanks to a few players on the books including KK. Top 3 in dead cap for next season is below: Kawaan Short: $11,017,000 Luke Kuechly: $7,132,514 Graham Gano: $1,537,500 Total Cap spending currently before any more Cuts or Restructures: $141,552,411 The cap is rumored to be around 180 million which will leave us right at $38,447,589 in cap currently before any other moves are made. Next season we will be in wonderful shape with Cap, and should have a Teddy 2 gloves off the books as well other than his dead cap hit. (https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/2021-nfl-salary-cap-predicted-be-high-180-million) https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

We all know it’s just fluff. Hell the Texans have come out multiple times and said he’s not being traded. With that being said I would definitely do the deal if it were available

I guess my bigger point was that even with him starting, I don’t see us winning that game based on how horrible the entire Washington football team played that day including 4.1 QBR Haskins

Dude....Haskins had a QBR in that game of 4.1 We were not winning that game with his performance, the terrible special teams play that they had, and Ron Rivera being Ron Rivera. No blatant attempt to tank would change that and it’s pointless to keep complaining about it.

Haskins got cut he was so bad in that game. I dont buy that we would have lost that game with Walker, and at the end of the day it does not matter because we pick 8 no matter how much people complain about that loss

They have tape on these prospects and know that they want to upgrade QB desperately. The post just says they have received calls. We haven’t traded anything so it’s just to get a feel for what they may want for it. No one said we are offering the farm right now, I’m not sure where you get that the team isn’t being patient.

PJ won the only game he played in this year. No way he would have played worse than Haskins did in that game, and we may have won by more points if PJ started.

Literally any of the top 3 QBs....have you been living under a rock.

I know people keep wanting to complain about the loss to Washington but damn...what would you propose we do in that game. I don’t think anything we did would out suck Haskins and the terrible special teams play that they had. You can’t be more conservative than riverboat even when his team is playing like garbage.

Mahomes. Also how many Shaq Thompson’s, Kelvin Benjamin’s, Vernon Butlers etc do you think it takes to turn around a franchise? CMC is my favorite guy on the team and is an absolute beast, but he’s not making us a team who competes for a super bowl...only a franchise QB does that. Remember the impact Newton had on this team even as a rookie? We weren’t a playoff team but we had hope and knew as he developed we could compete as we built around him. Without a QB you go nowhere. If we feel we have a franchise QB available you go get them. The Chiefs don’t regret it, our big brother Bills don’t regret it, And many other teams surely regret not trading the farm to #5 or higher last year for Herbert.

I was about to say the same thing. People make me laugh who flip out over taking a chance on getting a franchise QB who will be on a rookie wage scale. Is it risky? Absolutely. Is it worth it if you find a franchise QB? No question...you allow yourself to then compete for championships and build around them. Cam Newton changed our franchise overnight even his first few seasons when we weren’t a playoff team. We all knew we had a future and could complete as he developed and could go as far as he would take us. Unfortunately terrible coaching ended up holding us back. I believe we have the right coaches in place to build a program, and we need a franchise QB to build with or it’s all for nothing. Look at what Allen has done for Buffalo as another example, they aren’t making the playoffs if they are staring Teddy at QB.

You can do both. Look at Winston with the Saints last year, and a Teddy the year before. You go with starters who got benched/cut who is not good enough to lead a team full time, but can fill in and win you games short term. Almost all teams are screwed if the starter is out long periods of time, but someone like Fitz, Gabbert, Teddy, Dalton, Brissett, etc are people who can save your season if you need them for 4 games.

We will be picking high without a franchise QB. That I can promise you. As good as CMC is or anyone else in the first round... they aren’t going to turn a franchise around like a QB will.

It’s not too much when you are taking a chance on getting your franchise QB. We aren’t going to be picking this high again hopefully, and franchise QB’s don’t grow on trees. We will never win consistently (need I remind you we have never had back to back winning seasons) unless we have one.