SOJA

I like the Panthers are playing hard ball right now with him. If someone blows us away with a trade take it, otherwise resume negotiations this summer. I think 28-29 million a year is a fair deal for both sides.

It is ok to have a nuaced view of Bryce Young. It's ok to either: been very excited when we drafted him OR have reservations about his size. It is still ok to be excited about his future or have reservations about his ability to succeed. but no matter how you feel you can not deny that any rookie stepping into our situation would have struggled to some degree. It was a disaster from coaching to personnel to ownership

Again a valid argument could be made that outside of Moton, Thielen and Chuba the entire rest of the starting lineup on offense would be on the bench of almost every other NFL team. Thielen and Chuba likely wouldn't start for half of the teams in the league either No one should be safe on offense (besides Bryce because we have to see what we have in him next year)

I have a hot take that I think Mitchell is going to be a bust. he *looks* like an NFL WR#1. But I just don't think he's got that fire in him

ladd and xavier in back to back picks would be a home fuging run. It's like the only realistic scenario I'm happy with WR at both 33 and 65

Ok maybe tanking isn't the right word but building the team sensibily. With young home grown talent and a few mid level smart FA deals should be our focus

YES WE SHOULD BE Listen....out of all the mistakes Tepper and Co have made the single biggest one is not just taking our medicine and bottoming out properly. Instead we have tried to microwave quick fix solutions each offseason and left with something that looks like a Sci-Fi abdomination from Event Horizon. Year one of Matt Rhule was the perfect time to do this. Lawrence coming out. Cam coming off a major injury. Just fuging suck that year. Instead we sign Teddy and try to be competent. The next offseason, instead of drafting a young guy and just keeping Teddy as a mentor, we give up a sizeable draft haul for Sam fuging Darnold The next offseason instead of just sticking with Darnold we try another half measure with Baker. This offseason, well we know how going all in worked. Listen: we are going to suck next year. It's just not possible we are good. That's OK. We have our first round pick. We right now have a lot of cap room opening up next offseason. Build a competent offense around Bryce and just see what you've got but do NOT try to go all in again.

gave us an entire new team yall

I would bet eagles, texans and chiefs are all more likely. Hell maybe even Ravens. We already have a talented corner who can't stay healthy

thanks for making me feel better CRA

Oh I agree, hence why I didn't want him, just didn't see something that showed me round 1 TE talent. Funny thing is Baltimore ending up taking Mark Andrews in the third round of that draft lol

Ravens drafted him round 1, biggest whiff ever by the Ravens. I was so fuging worried we were going to take him over DJ Moore that year

One of my favorites I've done yet

Again this is great. We are going to suck next year. Cut dead weight now, start the healing process for the future. this is what we SHOULD have done Rhule's first year. yet every year the panthers have tried to go back to the well and starting with quick fix solutions

can't decide if the Panthers trade up to one (and giving up the first overall pick in the process) or the Broncos trade was worse.

FWIW I would sit it out and play hardball with Burns. If he was available in this draft he would be a top 5 talent. We aren't going to get the value we should for him. I think we could get a deal done for somewhere around 28 mill per year this offseason. You keep a franchise cornerstone, he gets paid handsomely (that's more than he really should get imo) and we still have somewhat of a pass rush. If we trade him our pass rush literally drops to nothing

there seems to be legitmate smoke to the rumor that he's getting traded, not only is it widely speculated but Jonathan Jones (well connected) tweeted today to not be suprised with a trade. My guess is the Rams, Houston, and Baltimore would all be interested. I would wager the compensation will be a: 1 and 4 this year and a 2 or 3 next year. I HIGHLY doubt any team would give up more than that but if there is a bidding war ultimately the Panthers could still wind up with two firsts if someone chooses to sign him to the non-exclusive tag

That is a good counterpoint, while I anticipate we suck ass next year and I don't want us to throw money down the drain. Building a competent offense around Bryce is needed for two reasons 1- we have to see if Bryce is the guy 2- it will only help the next rookie we draft if he isn't This year a very legitmate argument could be made that there were only two maybe three starters worthy to start on an NFL offense. Moton, Thielen, Chuba. Can't evaluate nor bring a rookie into that anyway.

I'm fine with this. Let's get out of all our bad contracts now. We're going to suck next year, just embrace it and start building towards a better future.

He reminds me of Funchess and KB. Pass

The Washington Football team was the perfect name and remains the perfect name

I am literally lol ing at you saying chucklefugs

For the record i would still try like hell to sign Burns but if his guys tell you under the table he isn't re-signing longterm here then by all means trade him, don't get nothing for him

Would be very interesting. Despite what this board and twitter tell you Burns is still very highly regarded in the league and while we may not get the Rams offer (two firsts and a third). I think if we opened the bidding war we could get from detroit 1st Pick 29 3rd Pick 92 Then a future 2nd or 3rd round pick pending how negotiations went.

Hell let's do here's what SOJA would have done: you can check my post hx (lmao) to verify 2020 1 DB - wanted Okudah and Herbert, DB was third choice over Simmons 2- YGM - would have taken him. Best value at this point at a position of need 2- Chinn- wanted Chin, did not like trade up 4- Troy Pride- wanted Harrison Bryant - wash of busts 5- Kenny Robinson- wanted James Proche 6- Roy - wanted James Proche (ok so that didn't work out) 7 - STO- did not have a strong desire So 2020 comes out to be the only thing I wouldn't have done was trade up for Chinn. 2021 1- Horn- wanted in order: 1. Justin Fields, 2. Rashawn Slater (this is my biggest win, even if you don't like Fields we would NOT be in the position we are today with him OR we would be but still have our first overall pick. Also it made NO sense to trade for Darnold until after the draft so I would have kept a 6th and future second and fourth). Slater also would have been a better pick just saying 2 Marshall- Loved the trade down and pick, no arguments 3 Christiansen- loved the pick no arguments 3 Tremble- was fine with this pick 4- Chuba- liked the pick felt like it was a bit of a reach 5- Daviyon Nixon- absolutely loved this pick thought we crushed this at the time 5 Keith Taylor- again loved this pick thought we again crushed 6 Deonte Brown- loved this as well 6 Shi Smith- loved this pick too 6 Fletcher- worst pick of all time would have been better off drafting my wife she would have been more helpful to the team, I'm not even joking 7 Hoskins- didn't know much about him when drafted but I saw the vision Overall I actually think we had a very strong draft in 2021 outside of two major decisions. Trading for Darnold predraft and not taking Fields. You flip those two things I think the process of that draft was amazing. 2022 1 Ekwonu- wanted him bad and we got him...time will tell but thus far things aren't looking great. BUT! we said similar things about DB after his first two years 2 (38) Jets I'm making this pick dammit but I would have taken Booth Jr who hasn't really wokred out. 3 did not like the trade up again, but did like drafting matty C 4 (111) Jets making this one too Zamir White 6 Barno/Mays- actually liked these picks 7 Barnes- I mean why not he was blazing fast 2022 in general was a bad draft, not much to salvage there but I did have a prediction this year that the starting QB come 2023 of the Panthers would be.... 2023 1- stroud. I've been vocal about this since April of 2022. He's been my guy since that Rose Bowl game. When we traded up and I saw the Vegas odds I was ecstatic....let's not turn this into another Bryce thread. I was fine with the trade up. 2- Mingo. I wanted BJ Ojulari, Brian Branch but Mingo was probably my third choice 3 DJ johnson- haaaated this trade up and selection. Not drafting for it, but I loved both picks pit made with ours so I would have taken them 4 Zavala- loved this pick, still very hopeful for him 5 Robbinson- did not love this one, would have taken Henry To'o To'o So there you have it, if I was at the helm the team wouldn't look that different other than the pivotal moment of drafting Fields and if we still had found ourselves trading up to 1 taking Stroud.