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Then as I said we aren't tanking we are sucking which I hope doesn't happen.

Again the qb has to fit the system or you have to adapt the system to the qb. Right now Corral fits with McAdoo's system. Now if we change OCs and go with a different system then it is hard to say if that is still true.

Nope. I simply said that picking a guy in the first round and tanking to do so isn't a guaranteed recipe for success. And that Corral who some think was a first round talent may be as good as anyone else we can get. Given Fitterers pension to swing for the fences I suspect we may draft a QB but with limited picks I don't know if it is the imperative many folks here think. Which has been my point all along.

Won't argue that. But if supposedly guys like Willis and Corral were first round talents most years but all fell last year, the question is whether he can be as good as any of the guys coming out in this draft or is more like a true third rounder and more likely to bust.

No it just shows that putting all your hopes on a first round prospect isn't guaranteeing anything and if you want to use the Colts or Bengals as evidence that it works, I just point out the Patriots and Seattle as evidence it can be done other ways as well. And let's have the conversation about how many first round QBs bust.

Doesn't mean he won't be right next year.

There are no guarantees so why would we tank for a QB that has a good chance of not even being great let alone win Superbowls??

Agree we might draft another one given Fitterer's approach and drafting a qb is much cheaper than signing a veteran but given how many top 10 qbs bust and we have 2 of them as proof, tanking for a pick doesn't guarantee anything and more times than not doesn't work out long term

Again there is a huge difference between sucking and tanking. And even with Manning and Luck being supposedly the best the Colts win 1 superbowl between them. Meanwhile the Patriots won a bunch of SBs with a 6 rounder again proving you don't need to tank to find your franchise guy.

For Manning two decades ago or Luck who lasted a few years and then got hurt. Between supposedly the 2 greatest qbs they had 1 super Bowl win for the Colts between them. Nope tanking even for a great QB doesn't guarantee superbowls

No it is called a fire zone blitz which is the same scheme that McDermott ran here. It was Snow's scheme we ran. Wilkes and Snow didn't agree.

So you think you are the adult in the room.? From that post I don't see it.....

Glad you aren't owner.

We didn't tank for Cam we sucked and remember it took unti.year 3 before we had a winning record. And we didn't have a QB already we thought could be a starter. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't draft another QB high with Fitterer swing for the fences but my point is we don't need to purposely suck to find one.

No. Wilkes is a defensive guy and can lead the defense. If he were an offensive coach he could have fired McAdoo but you don't install a new offense in October. And if you aren't then just let McAdoo sink or swim.

No you can't install a new offense in October. You have to roll with what you have unless you have an offensive head coach who takes over. Given Wilkes is defense that isn't going to happen

Go back to when Snow got here. We have run zone almost exclusively for years. What we did with Horn is run man to man with him against a particular player and play zone shell elsewhere.

And how are the Bengals doing this year. Yeah 2-3. He had a great rookie year but Baker took Clevelabd to the playoffs as well. Neither Cleveland or the the Bengals have been consistently good. It might take more than a QB alone to turn a team around. But tanking isn't the way to build a consistent team.

He is a good fit for McAdoos scheme. Now if we fire McAdoo and go with a different scheme this could change.

You haven't been paying attention. Snow was the king of zone. It was only this year that we had the personnel to run man coverage. Last year we were almost exclusive zone. https://www.pff.com/news/pro-taking-a-closer-look-examining-the-nfls-coverage-scheme-tendencies#:~:text=The Carolina Panthers led the,the course of the year.

We have our QB of the future in Corral. Who says tanking for the number 1 pick works. We have the number pick in 2018 and how is that working out.

We have our qb of the future in Corral. I am not convinced any of these supposedly great prospects will be better than him. Who purposely tanked in the NFL and then were great the next year?

I guess that the friction between Snow and Wilkes must have been true.

You have to match the system to the QB. Cam couldn't run a system focused on quick short accurate passing. That isn't his game at all.

I told you there was plenty of time in the Fall to be negative and here we are. I am hopeful now that much like Philly in baseball that Wilkes can improve us with largely the same personnel. If that doesn't work we can be more negative in December. But I am glad Rhule is gone. Even with more NFL experience around him we just keep sucking.