Soul Rebel

Asking price was rumored to be a FRP according to Schefty. Clearly we aren’t giving that up, but I do think Darnold for the right price would be a solid move. Robby would def have some input too. Bowles & Gase were awful Head Coaches too.

I was hoping Jabril Cox would slip to the 3rd round, but I don't see him there anymore for us. I could see as you pointed out, some WR/TE/OL from late in the draft that Rhule & Co saw up close being a gem for us.

As long as we don't give up our 2nd this year, I'm fine with two firsts, a second and a third going back to move up to 3. I actually like the CLE-PHI trade. They wouldn't receive our 2nd rounder for two years in that deal. With a good QB on our roster, we should be picking in the 20's in two years. That 2nd rounder in 2023 isn't as impactful as a 2nd rounder this and next year. In that deal, we would receive a 4th rounder next year coming back our way. The only part of that deal that really stings, is next year's first and this year's third. We would have two years to try and regain a 2nd round value that we lost, but in another trade. Having our 2nd round pick this year and next allows us to add a top-50 rookie deal to our roster this year, and next. TLDR: If its a PHI-CLE structured deal to move to #2 and get "our guy", I'm doing it yesterday. Watson is a pipe dream that will gut our assets.

Nope. If we are going to roll the dice on a 28 year old mediocre QB, why trade for one when we already have that on the roster. Wentz, Jimmy G, Trubisky, Winston, Carr..... all are in the same boat for us. None move the needle anymore than Teddy. Judging by our aggressiveness, it’s either moving up in the draft to get our QB on a rookie deal or emptying the cupboards for Watson.

I def want to hold onto this year's 2nd. The ability to add a very, very good OT or IOL with that pick is crucial to build around Moton on that OL and protect that rookie QB. Moving #8 (which ideally would be a QB selection), next year's 1st and 2nd would hopefully be enough. Keeping CMC with a QB on a 5-yr rookie deal and losing Samuel is important. We probably find a cheaper WR3 in FA, but CMC is our slot WR. Especially with Bonnafon and Smith that can tote the rock 5-10 times a game.

I personally want Lance at 8, but have serious concerns about him being there. After seeing how aggressive we were and the overpay that our FO was willing to toss out for Stafford, I am now thinking Tepper wants "their QB" and will move up to 2 or 3 to do it. Won't cost as much as DW and we get a franchise signal caller while not losing as many assets. "Hoping" that a QB makes it to 8 doesn't seem like Tepper's MO currently and we probably won't be drafting this high for awhile. 2021 is our year to strike, and Tepper is about to whip out those brass marbles, IMO.

Please elaborate then on how giving up the #8 overall pick + another asset (draft pick or player) for a 33-year old, non-mobile, banged up QB makes us a long-term contender. My comment was on overpaying for Stafford, which, if we would've given what was reported...would have been an extreme overpay. If you want to debate that, then your knowledge of how front offices and teams are built is below a Madden Franchise Mode-level of understanding.

The 8 alone was too much for Stafford. The report also said SF and Indy both balked at including this year's FRP. So two very competent front offices were not willing to part with the 12th nor the 21st picks, respectively..... But we were willing to give up the 8th AND another asset beyond that. Scary. I really hope Rhule and Fitterer can reel in Tepper, as this seems like a Tepper "I want what I want and I don't care about pricetags" kind of move.

To be fair.... The way Cam was treated prior to his release isn't that far off from Houston. It's not apples to apples, but it's the same fruit basket, for sure. Depends on whether it was more Hurney pushing the narrative or if Rhule/Tepper were full of isht in their transparency to Cam on a personal level. If it's the latter, than Carolina might not be a landing spot for DW. It's not the only factor, but the respect DW has for Cam is looming large.

If we can keep the 39th overall, we can add an OT like Leatherwood or Eichenburg. We make Moton our focus in FA and lock him in. We now have bookend OTs for the next decade, a 25-yr old mobile top-5 QB, the NFL's top RB and a young, up and coming defense. Add an IOL in R3 and Watson would have a decent, young OL to grow with. We still have holes (long-term C and WRs beyond '22, CB1, SAF, DT), but this is only year two of the Tepper/Rhule era. Watson/CMC/Moton/Moore are young enough to hold the fort down while we continue to add pieces.

If we would draft a QB at 8, what's the harm in losing two future 1sts that are most likely between 17-25 in the draft? I feel like everyone sees the "three" FRPs and, rightfully so, has reservations. However, if one of those picks were to be used on Wilson/Fields/Lance anyway at #8, why not get an NFL top-5 QB just starting his prime at 25 and locked in for 4 more years. Yes, losing a first round pick in the next two drafts stings, but the tradeoff is pretty satisfying. I would prefer we keep all of our picks in '21, but would be fine if the compensation included a '22 2nd or 3rd.

If we can keep our 2nd this year, I’m fine sending three years worth of first rounders + Teddy and pushing the ‘21 second rounder to ‘22. We can take a very, very good OT with that pick or let Fitterer move it around to acquire another later pick.

On one hand, I see how it's unfair to hold where a prospect plays (Lawrence at Clemson, Fields at OSU, Burrow at LSU) against him. On the other hand, I see a prospect in Jones that looks like conditioning was optional, along with a less than desirable arm and mobility as a problem. In the NFL, if your supporting cast isn't stacked, which he's unaccustomed to, I want to ensure my franchise QB is able to hang. I don't see that with Jones.

Darnold will probably fetch a 3rd....maybe a late 2nd. I'd toss that draft pick out for him waaaaaaay before Love. Now, I do think Love can be a good starting QB in the league, he just needs time. When he came out last year, that was the deal with him - patience.....and not a year patience. I don't care that he was the 3rd stringer last year, bc at one point Goff was too. If the asking price was a third round pick...I would maybe consider it, but even then, I still want Darnold first and foremost of all young QBs that need a change of scenery.

Leatherwood-Dickerson-Brown in the trenches Devonta and Waddle at WR Najee Harris at RB Top notch SEC Defense Not overly mobile with a mediocre-at-best arm And oh yeah...... Hard pass.

I did see a really good analysis of him from a mechanics standpoint, and quite often, his footwork was a problem.... his feel for the pocket, stride, angles, etc. I'm sure others have pointed out already, but Newman does seem to compare similarly to Cam, and has some of the same pain points as Cam had coming in.

What was your old alias?

You do realize that if we draft a QB vs. getting a vet, that Teddy is starting the year under center. Fields, Wilson, Lance, Newman, etc. are not ready to get thrown to the dogs week 1. That was the plan when he was signed, and I don't see why it wouldn't be the plan for at least the first 40-50% of the season.

Any chance GB would trade Jordan Love? Based on how Rodgers played this year, he looks like he's got a solid 3-4 years easily left in the tank. He outplayed Brady in the NFCG and really looked like his time in GB is not as close to an end as last year. If GB keeps reloading the missing pieces (which aren't many), their window looks like 3 years. Would Love sit for 3-4 years and GB burn 75% of that rookie deal that he's sitting on?

I apparently can't count this morning....hehe. Newman would be 5th. Personally, I have it as: Lawerence Fields | Wilson Lance Newman Jones | Trask

I honestly want Newman if we miss out on the Big-4. I could see us drafting him in the 3rd, or if he really shines at the Sr. Bowl & his pro day, we make a move like we did for Chinn last year. I believe Newman is the 4th best QB in this draft. He def fits the Fitterer MO too.

I agree that we are one year ahead of Detroit, but I would argue that Robby is on par with Golladay, and the latter is only 27. CMC might be RB1, but Swift will be a top-8 back in the NFL very, very soon...the kid is dangerous. If I'm Matt Stafford, Carolina isn't moving the needle for me when there's teams like Pittsburgh, Indy, and SF that are so much closer than us.

I want to fall for Radunz, but much like Billy Turner (who I loved), he was more of a jack-of-all, master of none, above average OL from NDSU that never lived up to his ceiling coming out.

Could play Humphrey at G until Paradis is no longer with us. I think if we did not draft a QB at 8 and went: R1: Slater/Sewell R2: Humphrey/Davis R3: Trade for Darnold or draft Newman We could roll out a Moton-Humphrey-Paradis-Miller-Slater OL and give whoever our QB is a healthy, young and strong OL.

I really don't want anything to do with Jones or Trask in this draft, and would personally wait on Newman. I think all of the big-4 QBs are gone by 5 and if we desire one of them, we best call Cincy. Jax and Detroit for sure are going QB at 1, and presumably 7, respectively. I think NYJ and MIA (Watson and then HOU takes a QB) are ripe for trade backs for QB needy teams, and possibly Cincy if the OT they like isn't there. ATL could also certainly consider a QB at 4. Denver and SF are nipping at our heels at 9 and 12. NE at 15 WAS, CHI, INDY at 19, 20, & 21 are all in need, though I do think Stafford goes to one of these teams.