My biggest worry about Gettleman

[Mr. Scot]

Since arriving in Carolina, Gettleman's repeatedly shown he's not afraid to cut any player (Steve Smith can attest to that).  He's been described as ruthless, all business, not giving a crap, etc.  It's a complete 180 from Marty Hurney, and those of us who wanted a 'football guy' in charge for years are very happy to see it.

 

But what about when it comes to staff?

 

The coaches, scouts, and front office people in place now are largely the same people who were in place when Gettleman arrived.  He stated at that time that he didn't want to be the guy 'that just came in and fired everybody' which is admirable.

 

But what if there are some changes in staff and front office that actually should be made?

 

What if Rivera, a guy that Gettleman seems to enjoy a great working relationship with, isn't the right guy to lead this team?

 

We all see his ruthless "business only" approach to the roster and expect that to apply in all areas, but so far it hasn't.  Truth be told, I think there are some staff, front office and (probably) coaching changes that could stand to be made and might improve the team.  But to date, there are no indications that such changes are being considered.

 

Is it possible Gettleman has a dichotomy in his mind: One standard for the players but a different standard for those with whom he works directly?  I have to think that'd be a pretty bad mindset to have if you want to run an effective organization.  If you really want to hold a standard of "perform or you're gone", then it has to apply to everyone, not just the guys on the field.

 

So the big question in my mind right now:  If this season does indeed wind up being an utter disaster and the best option for improvement isn't necessarily just making changes to players only, will Gettleman pull the trigger?

 

You tell me.

[jtnc]

Firing Rivera still comes down to JR.

[CRA]

OL allows you to compete....per Dave. His motto from day 1.

Doesn't really look like us competing was a huge concern in terms of the right now. He is still in the bulding mindset.

Very few people are Gettlemen guys. Bad year this year and his view could change.

I just hope Gettlemen realizes the NYG model didn't create a constent winning team. It created inconstant play and almost fluke success. Rings make people overlook things.

[firefox1234]

I think when it comes to coaching staff and especially HC position the owner will have a good amount of say in those decisions.

[Your GFs favorite huddler]

Since arriving in Carolina, Gettleman's repeatedly shown he's not afraid to cut any player (Steve Smith can attest to that). He's been described as ruthless, all business, not giving a crap, etc. It's a complete 180 from Marty Hurney, and those of us who wanted a 'football guy' in charge for years are very happy to see it.

But what about when it comes to staff?

The coaches, scouts, and front office people in place now are largely the same people who were in place when Gettleman arrived. He stated at that time that he didn't want to be the guy 'that just came in and fired everybody' which is admirable.

But what if there are some changes in staff and front office that actually should be made?

What if Rivera, a guy that Gettleman seems to enjoy a great working relationship with, isn't the right guy to lead this team?

We all see his ruthless "business only" approach to the roster and expect that to apply in all areas, but so far it hasn't. Truth be told, I think there are some staff, front office and (probably) coaching changes that could stand to be made and might improve the team. But to date, there are no indications that such changes are being considered.

Is it possible Gettleman has a dichotomy in his mind: One standard for the players but a different standard for those with whom he works directly? I have to think that'd be a pretty bad mindset to have if you want to run an effective organization. If you really want to hold a standard of "perform or you're gone", then it has to apply to everyone, not just the guys on the field.

So the big question in my mind right now: If this season does indeed wind up being an utter disaster and the best option for improvement isn't necessarily just making changes to players only, will Gettleman pull the trigger?

You tell me.

Serious question, not trolling, what changes in FO/coaching do you think should be made and what direction would you like to see him take in terms of mindset and philosophy with the replacements?

[TylerDurden]

I'm not impressed by his ability to cut "any player." Especially when some of the ones cut or let go were better fits here than their heirs or are outproducing them somewhere else.

He doesn't get kudos for cutting a guy that has sucked for years while leaving a guy like Harper back there who he just signed. Lol... furthermore, our OL is a joke. This staff won 12 games last season with the right pieces in place. I'm not worried about firing them when a lot of the talent they've been given to work with is Arena League worthy. Oh, but that's right... Marty Hurney.

[TheRumGone]

OL allows you to compete....per Dave. His motto from day 1.

Doesn't really look like us competing was a huge concern in terms of the right now. He is still in the bulding mindset.

Very few people are Gettlemen guys. Bad year this year and his view could change.

I just hope Gettlemen realizes the NYG model didn't create a constent winning team. It created inconstant play and almost fluke success. Rings make people overlook things.

 

you should read the all-pro section about the oline

[Mr. Scot]

Firing Rivera still comes down to JR.

 

Prior to this year, would anyone have believed Jerry Richardson would sign off on cutting Steve Smith?

 

I think Richardson trusts Gettleman way more in the area of football decisions than he did Hurney.  The Smith release isn't the only evidence of that, but it's the biggest.

 

Mind you, there's also been some chatter that Richardson isn't that high on Rivera, but as far as I know it's unsubstantiated.

 

[CRA]

Firing Rivera still comes down to JR.

Firing 89 pretty much means Dave has the green light on standard GM calls

[Evodion]

We were 12-4 last year , and as bad as we have been a lot this year we are 3-3-1 and first in the division for now atleast. I think that has a lot to do with keeping the coaches around. That and he seems to be looking towards the future with this team. I think the panthers have a chance to be good fora long time if we get this right. Only time will tell if this is the right staff.

[Mr. Scot]

you should read the all-pro section about the oline

 

Not a paid member (have considered it).

 

My thing about the OL is I agree with his idea of building a young core and letting them grow together, but I think the choice to make guys like Bell and Chandler part of that "core' was an awful one.

 

As mentioned elsewhere, I put a lot of that on Rivera for believing in guys he shouldn't have, but ultimately it's Gettleman who has the final say.

 

Which brings up a related question: If Gettleman believes the coach is wrong about a player decision, will he override him?

 

Steve Smith, Charles Godfrey and others point to 'yes' but Byron Bell and Nate Chandler point to a very big 'no'.

 

[KARASMATIC444]

Im more worried that our fanbase will never understand some of the cuts, and we will never hear the end of it. But i do see your point Scott.

[LUUUUUKE]

This kind of goes in line with a thread I've been meaning to create, but my ideas go a bit further. I'll post it this weekend when I have more time.

Very good points though OP

[pantherclaw]

I doubt Gettleman's coaching decisions are any different from his decisions on players