Saints better without Graham?

[Riverboat Ron]

Saints fans who post are carbon copies of the Russian shills that post over the internet, it's always a whataboutism or trying to prove that somehow they are exponentially better off after losing their most skilled player. Heck even when we beat them for the division title two years in a row it's always the excuse that we got lucky and they didn't live up to their 19-0 potential with their fat mad scientist running an 11 safety defense. 

[Mr. Scot]

​this is a good point, actually. who's even the best TE among our division rivals anymore? it almost has to be mercedes lewis by default

​You could make a pretty good argument that Greg Olsen is the best tight end in the division right now.

(not that you couldn't have made the argument before, but you'd have had a lot of skeptics)

[Davidson Deac II]

​You could make a pretty good argument that Greg Olsen is the best tight end in the division right now.

(not that you couldn't have made the argument before, but you'd have had a lot of skeptics)

​True, but he ask who is the best among our rivals. 

 

I am not certain I could name the tight ends of our division rivals without looking it up.  Of course, I am getting old and the memory is starting to fade. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

​True, but he ask who is the best among our rivals. 

I am not certain I could name the tight ends of our division rivals without looking it up.  Of course, I am getting old and the memory is starting to fade. 

​I saw.  I was just adding my own thoughts.

And me too, on both counts.

[pantherclaw]

If anything I think the panthers are better equipped to deal with a saints team that wants to play power football than what they were prior to graham getting traded.

Yes we are, but the Saints also have a talented line, that knows how to block. 

As long as our defense plays mistake free, we should be able to contain it.

[ctrcat]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QplmwFAuXiE

[DeeJay]

Depends on the Tecmo Super Bowl Ratings, 

[iamhubby1]

as usual...who should we have signed/drafted to address the issue any better than we have? complaining without offering a viable alternative is just...complaining.

My grandfather always said; A complaint without a solution, is just a bitch. Nobody likes a bitch.​

​making it work doesn't mean higher scoring.

the way he runs an offense takes tons of time off the clock on each possession. more time taken during possessions limits the number of possessions you can have during a game. limited possessions means limited scoring opportunities. limited scoring opportunities means limited points.

 

​On more than one occasion, we got only 3 possessions in the 1st half. Tough to score a lot of points when you don't have many possessions.

 

That said, when our Red Zone Offense is successful, obviously, we score more points. We move the ball between the 20's as well as any. It's the getting bogged down in the Red Zone, and winding up with FGs instead of TDs, that killed us last year. Which is why my most fervent wish is that a healthy Stewy, and the addition of Fungess will go a long way in stabilizing the O.

 

A 50-50 split would make me happy. In most games, with how few possessions we get. 2 FG, and 2 TDs could be good enough to win. Although a 1 FG to 3 TD ratio would be optimal.

 

tl/dr version; IMO, improve the Red Zone efficiency, and we can compete with anyone. As is.

[Major wRecktum]

The main problem with our red zone efficiency is the fact that we don't really try and score outside of the red zone as much as other teams. Thus we get bunched up and better defended when we make the most effort to punch it into the end zone. From 35-40 yards out we should be taking more shots to get our touchdowns.

[Mr. Scot]

IMO, improve the Red Zone efficiency, and we can compete with anyone. As is.

Like by drafting another huge receiver?

[BelgianPantherFan]

The main problem with our red zone efficiency is the fact that we don't really try and score outside of the red zone as much as other teams. Thus we get bunched up and better defended when we make the most effort to punch it into the end zone. From 35-40 yards out we should be taking more shots to get our touchdowns.

​Shula and/or Rivera are way too conservative to risk throwing away a field goal possibility.

[Cary Kollins]

Saints are done. 

 

I hope they got a good look at Tampa last season because that's where they are headed: the gutter.

 

Brees is 36 years old and he just lost the best redzone mismatch in the league. Don't worry Saints fans, Cam and Luke will only be around for another 10-12 years or so.

[rayzor]

My grandfather always said; A complaint without a solution, is just a bitch. Nobody likes a bitch.​

​On more than one occasion, we got only 3 possessions in the 1st half. Tough to score a lot of points when you don't have many possessions.

 

That said, when our Red Zone Offense is successful, obviously, we score more points. We move the ball between the 20's as well as any. It's the getting bogged down in the Red Zone, and winding up with FGs instead of TDs, that killed us last year. Which is why my most fervent wish is that a healthy Stewy, and the addition of Fungess will go a long way in stabilizing the O.

 

A 50-50 split would make me happy. In most games, with how few possessions we get. 2 FG, and 2 TDs could be good enough to win. Although a 1 FG to 3 TD ratio would be optimal.

 

tl/dr version; IMO, improve the Red Zone efficiency, and we can compete with anyone. As is.

​exactly. we HAVE to be more efficient with scoring opportunities and with the limited possessions we have each game, we have to be pretty damn near perfect for us to rank in the top 5 scoring teams in the league. i just don't see that happening.

[rayzor]

The main problem with our red zone efficiency is the fact that we don't really try and score outside of the red zone as much as other teams. Thus we get bunched up and better defended when we make the most effort to punch it into the end zone. From 35-40 yards out we should be taking more shots to get our touchdowns.

​totally agree and this is where i think rivera and esp. shula's conservative nature comes back to bite us in the arse.

i don't trust rivera until some late annual epiphany he has to start taking more risks....again. and even when that happens, i don't trust shula to come up with anything other than some headscratching totally predictable and preventable play call that takes way too long to get to the field and i don't think he has enough balls to consistently let cam make the call on the line.

 

again, it's philosphy and game management that makes me doubt this whole top scoring in the league talk. i have doubts about rivera and no faith in shula.