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Cam vs Jake?

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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The come from behind drives in 2013 against the Pats on MNF and the Saints to win the NFCS don't qualify?

​Close, but that game was won aon a final play by the defense.

I'd actually say he came closer when he came in and played just two weeks after his car accident. Had he actually played that week, it might have been even closer, but I think the coaches made the right decision.

There's gotta be an additional element like that.  Just winning a big game isn't enough.

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​Yes he was not a starter, but do you not think the experiences he had in those years before the Panthers had an impact on him as a player?

My point merely was, that is 6 years in the NFL, being in a locker room, developing rapport, learning your place, and watching first hand other starting QB's lead teams.

You cannot understate the impact that had for Jake.

Who knows how things would have played out if we threw Jake into the fire in his very first NFL season as a rookie.

But the simple fact is, Delhomme had 5 full seasons worth of that before taking the reigns here. Newton had to learn on the fly from the jump.

​I kinda wish he hadn't, but all that's water under the bridge.

And honestly, I think it has more to do with personality than experience.

For all his bravado, 'entertainer and icon" comments and what have you, Newton's never come across to me as a guy who likes being at the center of the spotlight.  If he were in the military, I think he'd be more comfortable as a soldier than a sergeant.

If you remember "Aliens", personality wise, Delhomme is Apone.  Newton is Hicks.

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​I kinda wish he hadn't, but all that's water under the bridge.

And honestly, I think it has more to do with personality than experience.

For all his bravado, 'entertainer and icon" comments and what have you, Newton's never come across to me as a guy who likes being at the center of the spotlight.  If he were in the military, I think he'd be more comfortable as a soldier than a sergeant.

If you remember "Aliens", personality wise, Delhomme is Apone.  Newton is Hicks.

​They obviously have fairly different personalities. Newton doesn't need to be Delhomme in that regard to be successful here.

Hard to really say the depth of leadership regarding Newton without us being there in the locker room, and seeing him interact with guys first hand.

Greg Olsen has been with Newton since he was a rookie though, and he has touched on this subject multiple times, and each time he went out of his way to praise Cam as a leader. Now sure some people will make the "well what else would he say about his teammate, derp" argument, but Greg Olsen is not a bullshitter, he is a pretty genuine type of guy who speaks his mind. He's made it pretty clear.

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​They obviously have fairly different personalities. Newton doesn't need to be Delhomme in that regard to be successful here.

Hard to really say the depth of leadership regarding Newton without us being there in the locker room, and seeing him interact with guys first hand.

Greg Olsen has been with Newton since he was a rookie though, and he has touched on this subject multiple times, and each time he went out of his way to praise Cam as a leader. Now sure some people will make the "well what else would he say about his teammate, derp" argument, but Greg Olsen is not a bullshitter, he is a pretty genuine type of guy who speaks his mind. He's made it pretty clear.

​No, he doesn't need to have the same personality.  Heck, in the movie, Hicks stepped up when he didn't really want to because he had to.  Newton's in a similar position now with guys like Steve Smith gone.

To give you a little perspective, you know who else isn't a natural leader? 

Tom Brady. 

Brady's a surly cuss and a colossal a--hole, but he's a leader now because he's been there for the team's most glorious moments and most of the rest of the roster hasn't been there as long as he has.

Like I said, I do believe Newton will get to that point.  Maybe it'll be a "glory moment" like it was for Brady.  Maybe it'll be a "drama moment" like it was for Delhomme.  Or maybe it'll just be with time.  Maybe it'll happen gradually as the team is built with guys drafted after him.  Hard to say.

But I do believe it'll happen, one way or the other.

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Holy crap, just read the thread... people actually think Jake was a better QB than Cam? 

 

And i thought the saints report was going to be the dumbest thing I read all day.

​If you think "athlete" equals "quarterback", sure.

Go back and look at guys like Dan Marino and Joe Montana.  Lousy athletes, but great quarterbacks.

As far as things like leadership go, Newton's not there...yet.  But is he still a franchise quarterback, absolutely.  And I have no issue whatsoever with him being at the center of the team.

There's just a "next step" he needs to take, and we're still waiting for that to happen.

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Before 2007 a lot of people thought Jake was the best QB in the South.  I think his years from 2003-2005 were among the best for QB play on the Panthers in team history.  So if I had to win one game, I would want Jake from that time.  But if I was choosing a QB to build and grow around, there's no doubt that Cam has the higher ceiling.

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