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A glance at how Kurt Coleman contributes to Carolina's defensive renaissance

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You said Coleman dropping into the box means his assignment is running back hence man coverage? That couldn't be further from the truth dude. You diagnose man/zone by motioning players and seeing if a specific defender follows them. None of that occurred here.

Just admit you got it wrong.

jackson goes into motion before the snap dumbass. and yes, based on the nickel defense and positions on the right wing of the formation the free safety's position near the LOS across from the back could indicate man coverage.

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jackson goes into motion before the snap dumbass. and yes, based on the nickel defense and positions on the right wing of the formation the free safety's position near the LOS across from the back could indicate man coverage.

Yeah so Jackson going into motion and Norman presumably following him will suggest that. If Norman does not follow him then no it's not man coverage.

Again it has nothing to do with Coleman dropping into the box! It's not that complicated. Also the defense can always play a mix of man and zone.

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Yeah so Jackson going into motion and Norman presumably following him will suggest that. If Norman does not follow him then no it's not man coverage.

Again it has nothing to do with Coleman dropping into the box! It's not that complicated. Also the defense can always play a mix of man and zone.

the one thing you've posted in this entire exchange that matters is that coverages can be a combination of both man and zone coverage, so they're not mutually exclusive. but i never suggested anything to the contrary. whether the linebackers are in zone or man isn't as relevant as what the corners are doing, and a safety dropping into the box can also indicate a cover one, which is a combination of man and zone, with the corners and box safety playing man and a deep safety and the linebackers playing in zones. here is a source on how safeties can be used to disguise cover three as a cover one: http://www.catscratchreader.com/2012/8/11/3234761/how-to-read-coverages-pre-snap-and-post-snap

here is a source on diagnostics of cover one. 

here is a good introductory article on cover three for dumbasses. by reading it, you will learn that cover three zones are often diagnosed by the presence of a high free safety and a strong safety closer to the line of scrimmage. dropping the free safety into the box is not a feature of the cover three, or any zone defense, but it is definitely a hallmark of the cover one, which is primarily man-to-man.

here's another nice source that breaks down coverage disguises using safety position near the LOS to make a cover three look like man coverage, and the schematic breakdowns pre-snap and post-snap are identical to the one run on the play in question.

additionally, here is a source on how dropping a safety in the box can be read as a blitz with an OLB dropping into coverage (basically a cover one safety blitz) and while the play call is actually a cover two or cover three, telegraphed at the last second by the safety's retreat.

here's another one just for the hell of it.

 

now stop posting.

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Lions, not that pitiful excuse for an NFL team in Detroit but  Panthera leo are some bad ass mofos. NIce  comparison.

You have no soul if you don't admire big cats.

Oh, and nice write up Philly.

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Tigers are even more impressive. Seriously though...big cats are majestic.

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Lest anyone doubt what PhillyB posted re: the role of the safety in helping disguise the coverage... I believe it's this very play that Ron R. & Eugene break down on the latest Panthers' Huddle video, and Ron mentions the safety's role in helping create doubt about the coverage.  Around 17:40 into the video...

 

http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/Panthers-Huddle-Bye-week/ea7b12c0-86a2-4c78-9ee9-f2404b95367e

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   Trying to figure out if the lions clip is more symbolic of Delaire or what Philly just did to the board's "I'm the smartest guy in the room" d-bag. I haven't posted but a couple times since signing up, but after reading most of the posts on here for about a year, it wasn't hard to pick him out right away. Used to think he was just anti-Cam. Now I see it's just a cry for attention.

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