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The #2 we let get away.

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Some teams run more, and some teams pass more. Some teams must pass more out of necessity. Cam Newton has been our saving grace in the running game so far. But, even still, stop clouding the issue. However little we run or pass is immaterial. Snead would likely be doing more for us, even if only just on a relative basis, than what we are fielding right now.  That's not a difficult concept. It's not a stretch. It's not outlandish. Deal with it!

Hard to say what Snead would be doing for us right now.

He has been with the Saints developing, learning, and finding his fit within their offense since December of last year. That is a huge factor. He was only here with us for 44 days, on the practice squad, and that was well into the season.

Seems like there is really no sense conversing with you if you are just going to continue willfully bypassing factors that don't align with your narrative.

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So if I believe we have one of the best GM's in the NFL, and that his talent evaluation is top notch...

 

...I am a "short sniffer"?

 

I think a few things need to be touched here:

  • The "wide receiver friendly" offense ran in New Orleans matters, and is a valid argument.
  • We have given opportunity to many young players since Gettleman has been here, perhaps mainly for financial reasons, but we still have nonetheless.
  • Let's see how Snead and his team do the remainder of the season before we care too much about this.

You're a good poster Top Dawg, but some of your posts in this thread have been borderline "trollish".

 

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Hard to say what Snead would be doing for us right now.

He has been with the Saints developing, learning, and finding his fit within their offense since December of last year. That is a huge factor. He was only here with us for 44 days, on the practice squad, and that was well into the season.

Seems like there is really no sense conversing with you if you are just going to continue willfully bypassing factors that don't align with your narrative.

You're right. No need to continue If you and others are going to cherry pick stats and don't show any discrimination or inclination for extrapolation based upon a relative perspective. 

 

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You're right. No need to continue If you and others are going to cherry pick stats and don't show any discrimination or inclination for extrapolation based upon a relative perspective. 

 

Yeah, it must be everybody else who just doesn't get it. Couldn't be that maybe top dawg is guilty of the same poo he is ridiculing others for. That just wouldn't make sense.

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"Just because" they are successful in another system doesn't necessarily mean they won't be "successful" in your system as well.  

Perhaps it's not about the system so much as it it is about people needing to expand their minds. 

It isn't about people needing to expand their minds, it's about understanding that offensive schemes differ and certain schemes can fit the strengths of some guys.  Ever heard of a "system QB"?  Some elite players would have success in any scheme.  You take a Steve Smith or Dez Bryant or Calvin Johnson, the guy is just a baller.  Put him in any offense and he's going to produce.  Most players aren't like that.  It is hard for an offense to be much different from a WR's perspective than ours vs. the Saints'.  If you can't understand that then I can't help you.  Maybe he could've been successful here, but our coaches and front office got a good look at him and concluded that he wouldn't be.  The Saints' offense gives a WR a lot more space to work than ours does and catching a pinpoint floaty Drew Brees pass is a little different than trying to snag a rocket from Cam.  Just two different worlds, both in terms of scheme and in terms of QBs.

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Thankfully Marty Hurney landed Cam Newton, Greg Olsen, Ryan Kalil, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, and Josh Norman. They are carrying this team this season and last.

Without them this team would be a dumpster fire with the rest of the squandered talent from the current administration.

Yeah, it's a shame this team isn't having the kind of success it did back in 2010, 11 and 12, when Hurney was in charge.

Heck, all we've done since he was fired is win the division and go to the playoffs, resulting in low draft picks.

What the hell were they thinking letting him go?

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You're right. No need to continue If you and others are going to cherry pick stats and don't show any discrimination or inclination for extrapolation based upon a relative perspective. 

 

That makes little sense, mostly because you, as the one making the initial claim, are required to back up YOUR assertion with sound stats and data that lead those you are trying to convince to the same conclusion. Not accepting your dataset and proposing alternative datapoints and variables (such as offensive scheme) is perfectly reasonable and does not make one a 'hater', particularly when your conclusion is based on a statistically-insignificant amount of data and a logical, data-driven approach looking at a wider dataset leads to a different conclusion than yours.

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Yeah, it's a shame this team isn't having the kind of success it did back in 2010, 11 and 12, when Hurney was in charge.

Heck, all we've done since he was fired is win the division and go to the playoffs, resulting in low draft picks.

What the hell were they thinking letting him go?

Hurney without a doubt put together the core of this team, but he failed miserably to build a team around that core.  I give him credit for landing us some great players, but it was time for the Panthers to move on.

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Thanks, PhillyB. I knew that there would be some snark in this thread because there always is. There are certain people on the Huddle that just like to razz me and get me all riled up for entertainment value. There are others that just don't get me, and, yes, there are those that just don't like Top Dawg or love to hate Top Dawg.  It just comes with the territory. Sure I have an ego that pokes through, but it is what it is. Roughly five years ago, an old lady that barely knew me called me a know-it-all to my face. I was somewhat miffed immediately, but I quickly became amused as I realized that it wasn't the first time someone hit me out of left field. Some people are just intimidated by natural intelligence and because you have it and it shows. As a result, they want to make it about you when the only thing that you're guilty of is expressing an intelligent opinion about which something they disagree. Even the most benign remark or thought garners their disdain. This is even more true on the Internet where basically strangers can hide behind an LCD and express whatever to prop up their e-rep. Me, you get the same guy all the time. 

This thread right here is about Willie Snead. I hate we let him get away, and I don't want to see anything like it happen in the future (with Byrd, Rakim Cox or anyone). It will probably happen again though. It's just one of those things. I don't really "blame" Gettleman for it, but the buck does stop with him. I am just a little wistful about it is all, especially in this situation. It's basically a ain't-that-bitch moment? 

Are you people seriously just going to gloss over this comment or did everyone just accidentally skip this gem?

 

Guise

Seriously guise

I'm so smart

Guise Listen

I'm so smart an old lady was a BITCH to me about my smartness

 

Top Dawg, I have  website for you

https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart

 

 

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Are you people seriously just going to gloss over this comment or did everyone just accidentally skip this gem?

 

 

Top Dawg, I have  website for you

https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart

 

 

One of my favorite occurrences on the internet is when someone is essentially calling other people stupid while making numerous grammatical errors in the process.  top dawg loves to try to make himself look smarter than he is by attempting to use words and grammatical structures that are simply beyond him.

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Hurney without a doubt put together the core of this team, but he failed miserably to build a team around that core.  I give him credit for landing us some great players, but it was time for the Panthers to move on.

Agreed, but the post to which I responded there is pure stupidity.

Plus Hurney had some unforgivable draft whiffs. If you look back at who he passed over for who he took, it's mind blowing 

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