Fallout from Norman vs Beckham

[Mr. Scot]

Goodell wants two personal fouls to equal ejection

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Turning it into a yellow card/red card situation would create a deterrent, or at least keep things from spiraling out of control such happened several times this year,

Specifically, the Panthers-Giants game in which Odell Beckham was flagged for spearing Panthers cornerback Josh Norman in the head would lead to him being thrown out under such a rule.

The measure will have to go through the competition committee, but should be the kind of thing that has plenty of traction.

I think three would be better myself.

[shaqattaq]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Goodell wants two personal fouls to equal ejection

I think three would be better myself.

3 sounds better. We wouldn't want anyone prematurely ejected ;-)  Obviously, something blatant should be immediate.

[t96]

2 personal fouls the way Beckham did them warrants an ejection (I know he had 3), but there are personal foul calls that are bullsh*t so 2 does seem a little low and could get undeserving players kicked out which would be a nightmare situation for a playoff game or other big game. 3 would be good but I don't think 3 personal fouls in a game has happened a lot so I doubt it even has much of an impact.

[Darth Biscuit]

Eh, depends, and I don't know that this is the right solution...

 

Ejection is kind of a "know it when you see it" thing and the Beckham situation definitely was and they screwed it up...

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Darth Biscuit said:

Eh, depends, and I don't know that this is the right solution...

Ejection is kind of a "know it when you see it" thing and the Beckham situation definitely was and they screwed it up...

Valid, but begs the question how you couldn't "know it" when you see a guy run ten yards to spear another guy helmet to helmet.

Guys screwing up is generally what gets things codified even when they shouldn't have to be.

[Nick_81]

I mean, you get a PF for a facemask, and sometimes it's obviously not blatant, and just a hand getting caught.  Especially linemen who are just grabbing whatever they can to get a stop, and don't even realize it.  The refs just need to be smart enough to know when to warrant an ejection.  In Beckham's case... the spear should have been it.  

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Nick_81 said:

I mean, you get a PF for a facemask, and sometimes it's obviously not blatant, and just a hand getting caught.  Especially linemen who are just grabbing whatever they can to get a stop, and don't even realize it.  The refs just need to be smart enough to know when to warrant an ejection.  In Beckham's case... the spear should have been it.  

I was sorry they did away with the 5 yard / 15 yard facemask thing.

[Darth Biscuit]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Valid, but begs the question how you couldn't "know it" when you see a guy run ten yards to spear another guy helmet to helmet.

Guys screwing up is generally what gets things codified even when they shouldn't have to be.

True... so instead of training the refs better, they're going to institute a stupid type of "zero tolerance policy" in effect...  not all personal fouls are equal.  Are facemask penalties going to count in this?

[Nick_81]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I was sorry they did away with the 5 yard / 15 yard facemask thing.

I was as well, which also makes this a bad idea, IMO.

[tondi]

Just going to be one more thing for the refs to screw up. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Darth Biscuit said:

True... so instead of training the refs better, they're going to institute a stupid type of "zero tolerance policy" in effect...  not all personal fouls are equal.  Are facemask penalties going to count in this?

See above.

i think restoring the 5 vs 15 yard distinction on facemask penalties would help.

And while we're at it (cough) full time refs (cough).

[imminent rogaine]

If they did this, they would need to re-define what a personal foul is. Taunting, inadvertent late hits, inadvertent face masks, these things shouldn't be grounds for ejection. You want to limit intentional, malicious hits and plays, so only those types of plays should be "personal fouls".

 

[Captain Morgan]

I thought the same thing during the game.  While the refs have the option to throw a guy out, after 3 personal fouls, you should be out of the game.  I'm game for 2 = disqualification.  Beckham was an embarrassment tot he NFL,

[Darth Biscuit]

2 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

If they did this, they would need to re-define what a personal foul is. Taunting, inadvertent late hits, inadvertent face masks, these things shouldn't be grounds for ejection. You want to limit intentional, malicious hits and plays, so only those types of plays should be "personal fouls".

 

Exactly why this is a bad idea.