Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

A Josh Norman holdout looming?

Jeremy Igo

By Jeremy Igo,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

TheNewStandard Newbie

TheNewStandard

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

This can't be said enough.  People act as if josh should play for less money.  He's been making 5 round money the whole time which in the grand scheme of things isn't poo.  He should get every dime he can from an organization.  Just won't happen to be ours.  I'm happy for Josh regardless of what happens.  

The core of this team is built up the middle and though we know J-No is producing at a hugh level, I'm sure some other teams have left starting CB's hanging out to dry and there's no reason to not believe DG won't snatch some up in FA and the draft.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
thefuzz Mentor

thefuzz

Posted
Posted
25 minutes ago, Bartin said:

JPP actually gained money by not signing the tag. Had he signed it prior to his fireworks accident then the Giants could have put him on the non-football injury list for the entire year and not paid him a dime. The reason he waited so long after the accident to sign was so that he could force the Giants to clear him physically before signing so they couldn't do that and thus guarantee that he would get paid.

Hm, didn't realize that.  For some reason I thought once the tag was signed that was guaranteed fully.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
dldove77 Newbie

dldove77

Posted
Posted
27 minutes ago, TheNewStandard said:

Hardy was not his fault...the decision was JRs. 

The longer Norman holds out, the less time we have to pick up a solid replacement and that's the department where DG is aces.

Make no mistake. The only fault with anything Panthers/Hardy related lies squarely on the shoulders of Greg Hardy.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bartin Collaborator

Bartin

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Hm, didn't realize that.  For some reason I thought once the tag was signed that was guaranteed fully.

It is, but only to the extent that money can be fully guaranteed in NFL contracts. There is standard language in every contract that allows the team not to pay a player if they injure themselves outside of football doing non-approved activities. For example, riding a motorcycle and definitely not allowed and getting injured while riding one would give the team the right not to pay the player. Even tearing an ACL while playing basketball gives the team the right to withhold guaranteed salary. Blowing your hand off with fireworks also qualifies. Hell, I'm not even sure the Chiefs had to pay Eric Berry while he was receiving cancer treatment even though they did anyway because that would be one of the most tone deaf, PR disastrous decisions they could possibly make, but they still had the option. Now if they were lifting weights or participating in team activities and got injured then the team is obligated to pay the entire amount.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
thefuzz Mentor

thefuzz

Posted
Posted
Just now, Bartin said:

It is, but only to the extent that money can be fully guaranteed in NFL contracts. There is standard language in every contract that allows the team not to pay a player if they injure themselves outside of football doing non-approved activities. For example, riding a motorcycle and definitely not allowed and getting injured while riding one would give the team the right not to pay the player. Even tearing an ACL while playing basketball gives the team the right to withhold guaranteed salary. Blowing your hand off with fireworks also qualifies. Hell, I'm not even sure the Chiefs had to pay Eric Berry while he was receiving cancer treatment even though they did anyway because that would be one of the most tone deaf, PR disastrous decisions they could possibly make, but they still had the option. Now if they were lifting weights or participating in team activities and got injured then the team is obligated to pay the entire amount.

I was aware of that with normal day to day contracts, but I wasn't when it came to the tag.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
panthers55 Grand Master

panthers55

Posted
Posted

I think we will sign him long term because as a nonexclusive franchise tag player he is free to negotiate with other teams to see what he could get on the open market.  Most times, teams dont hold other teams to the two first rounders unless they really dont want to lose them since the two firsts really is a deal killer for most teams.  If we dont think we can land him long term we will try and have him sign him tender and then find a trade partner who Norman will sign a long term contract.  Hopefully Norma's agent is talking to other teams to get some numbers from which to negotiate.  That way he gets paid and we get compensation.  Gettleman has shown he will pay fairly for talent we have developed and nurtured.  The question appears to be what each of them think is fair compensation.  I would think that 12 million a year for 4 years would be a pretty fair contract for both sides.  It isnt the franchise tag amount  but if 1/2 is guaranteed  (25 million) then he get some huge piece of mind if he gets hurt.  

  • Pie 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites
CPF4LIFE Grand Master

CPF4LIFE

Posted
Posted
11 minutes ago, dldove77 said:

Make no mistake. The only fault with anything Panthers/Hardy related lies squarely on the shoulders of Greg Hardy.

Not true, Greg Hardy is still allowed to play in the NFL he was picked up by another team after he left here, Gettleman and Rivera wanted to play Hardy. NFL forced them to sit him till his case was resolved and it was JRs decision not even entertain bringing him back because of the attention it would bring not any penalties. Thats the facts.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
dldove77 Newbie

dldove77

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Not true, Greg Hardy is still allowed to play in the NFL he was picked up by another team after he left here, Gettleman and Rivera wanted to play Hardy. NFL forced them to sit him till his case was resolved and it was JRs decision not even entertain bringing him back because of the attention it would bring not any penalties. Thats the facts.

Greg Hardy put himself in that position. No one did that to him. I don't see Thomas Davis putting himself in that position. Greg Hardy's life decisions got him where he is today. 

  • Pie 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites
dldove77 Newbie

dldove77

Posted
Posted
9 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Most times, teams dont hold other teams to the two first rounders unless they really dont want to lose them since the two firsts really is a deal killer for most teams.

Has any team ever signed a non-exclusive franchise tendered player to a deal and not had to give up two first rounders? I can't remember any. Not impossible I'm wrong, though...

Link to comment
Share on other sites
KSpan Grand Master

KSpan

Posted
Posted
13 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

That's great and all, but it's the same poo all the fugging time. Right after they get paid and playing for nothing, they talk about the ring and glory. Fug him. He's playing with Luke, KK, Star, Davis, Ealy, Shaq, etc. If he truly wants the ring, he'll take a paycut. If not, he'll leave and get paid. You can't have it both ways. So I don't want to hear Josh 3-4 years from now wanting to play with a "contender". That's all.

Who says this wouldn't be to get every dime that the Panthers are willing to give, even if that's ultimately less than what other teams would offer? Maximizing earning potential can include getting the most from a given situation; in this case, it would be getting the most money while still playing "for a contender".

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bartin Collaborator

Bartin

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, dldove77 said:

Has any team ever signed a non-exclusive franchise tendered player to a deal and not had to give up two first rounders? I can't remember any. Not impossible I'm wrong, though...

Yes. The Patriots franchised Matt Cassell after the year Brady got hurt and traded him for a 2nd(plus maybe more) to the Chiefs.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Ricky Spanish
      CMC makes the cover of Madden

      By Ricky Spanish · Posted

    • Prowler2k18
      Panthers to work out UFL OPOY Hakeem Butler

      By Prowler2k18 · Posted

      Another source: NFL Rumors: Hakeem Butler to Visit Panthers After UFL Success, Wade Phillips' Praise ZACH BACHAR JUNE 10, 2024 The Carolina Panthers are expected to conduct a workout with UFL wide receiver Hakeem Butler, according to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport. Butler recorded a league-leading 652 receiving yards as a member of the St. Louis Battlehawks. He was previously a fourth-round draft pick by the Arizona Cardinals in 2019. After the Battlehawks were defeated by the San Antonio Brahmas in the XFL Conference title game, Brahmas head coach and longtime NFL coach Wade Phillips told the receiver that "I'm going to tell everybody in the NFL that I talk to that you need to be playing," via Michael David Smith of Pro Football Talk. Despite the loss by St. Louis, Butler still hauled in six receptions for a team-high 59 receiving yards. The 28-year-old was named the 2024 UFL Offensive Player of the Year, as he was one of only two wideouts to have multiple games with at least 100 receiving yards. While the Panthers added Diontae Johnson and first-round rookie Xavier Legette to their wide receiver room in the offseason, they could still use some depth in the form of Butler. Carolina isn't opposed to picking up former UFL players, as Rapoport revealed on Thursday that the team is also "expected" to sign All-UFL receiver Daewood Davis. Although Butler was selected by the Cardinals in the 2019 draft, he did not play as a rookie due to a hand injury and only appeared in two regular-season games as a member of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2020. He did not record a catch. Butler signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers during the 2023 offseason, although he ultimately didn't make the team's regular-season roster. At 6'5", he has the frame to potentially make an impact in training camp and earn a shot at making Carolina's 53-man roster. If his workout goes well with the Panthers, Butler could give himself another chance to possibly return to the NFL.
    • strato
      Panthers Madden Sims 2024 Schedule

      By strato · Posted

      They have all the rookies. The DC game has Ron though. With the new QB. It is weird.  pantherclaw, Bryce sort of is what he is, and in Madden he makes throws the real Bryce can’t make. Here and there. He ain’t ain’t a top QB in Madden though, lots of picks. aone of them lol was the throw that scares the hell out of me when he throws it, out to the boundary... quack quack.
×
×
  • Create New...