NFL.com selects Panther's best and worst historical draft picks

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15 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

You move the goal posts whenever the conversation of Cam comes up. 2012 you and MHS were talking about moving on from Cam (in his second year for christs sake) Last year you were poo posting about starting Anderson and how Anderson is a better fit for our offense. The following year cam is THE MOST VALUABLE player in the ENTIRE NFL. 

Lol stirs. Look past him being an extrovert on the field at a position where you think players should act a certain way. It clouds your judgement. You just don't like Cam personally and everyone can see it. Dude is shattering the record books held by some of the best players in league history in only his fifth year. Rejoice brother.

You would be wrong.

The only time I mentioned Anderson was when we were out of the playoffs., not last year.  I thought it might be wise to give him some starts to see how he performed in game situations.  Same with other 2nd stringers on the team.  What better time to judge your teams backups than in real games.  As with so many years in the past, we were looking at FA and drafts by late November, so what did it hurt?

Big difference.  If we are out of the playoffs by Thankgiving this season, I will probably want the same thing.  Put AJ in and see what he has got for instance.  What is the point in not seeing him and knowing whether we want to sign him or let him walk?  It is all about winning with me and if we are done for the year, stats mean nothing.

[TheRumGone]

1 minute ago, stirs said:

You would be wrong.

The only time I mentioned Anderson was when we were out of the playoffs., not last year.  I thought it might be wise to give him some starts to see how he performed in game situations.  Same with other 2nd stringers on the team.  What better time to judge your teams backups than in real games.  As with so many years in the past, we were looking at FA and drafts by late November, so what did it hurt?

Big difference.  If we are out of the playoffs by Thankgiving this season, I will probably want the same thing.  Put AJ in and see what he has got for instance.  What is the point in not seeing him and knowing whether we want to sign him or let him walk?  It is all about winning with me and if we are done for the year, stats mean nothing.

At the cost of Cam having in game experience and growing as a football player? Glad you don't make those decisions buddy. Like you and MHS talking about benching Cam and moving on from him in 2012. Such a short leash you gave to someone as talented and as big of a gamer as Cam is. 

And your last sentence makes no sense if your all about winning.

as for the other parts of my post that you didn't address? We've talked about it before. I know you don't like Cam personally, it's cool. But it shouldn't cloud your judgement about how great of a football player he is and how he elevated the entire team, not just offense, to relevance this past year. Not only was he supremely talented athletically on the field, but he basically got to a level mentally where he was toying with teams. Amazing progression in his game.

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Wait.....we still have fans who don't like our QB?

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1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

At the cost of Cam having in game experience and growing as a football player? Glad you don't make those decisions buddy. Like you and MHS talking about benching Cam and moving on from him in 2012. Such a short leash you gave to someone as talented and as big of a gamer as Cam is. 

And your last sentence makes no sense if your all about winning.

as for the other parts of my post that you didn't address? We've talked about it before. I know you don't like Cam personally, it's cool. But it shouldn't cloud your judgement about how great of a football player he is and how he elevated the entire team, not just offense, to relevance this past year. Not only was he supremely talented athletically on the field, but he basically got to a level mentally where he was toying with teams. Amazing progression in his game.

Where do you get this stuff?  I don't know Cam personally, do you?  I had huge HUGE worries on drafting any QB with the first overall pick in the draft, especially one who had so little throwing experience.  But that was football, we talk that every year predraft.  You have no life dude.  I don't put any player on a pedestal, Cam, Keek, Smith, none.  I have watched football for 45 years, so don't start your petty, "I like Cam more than you do" stuff.  You probably, personally, like every football player more than I do.

The OP mentioned that Cam would someday probably be regarded as the best draft pick, but at this point in time, he'd go with Smith.  He has also watched football all his life and is an Auburn guy, and I agree with him, so grow up.  

[Jeremy Igo]

How is this even a discussion. 

 

The Panthers have a QB that was MVP of the entire league. 

 

For franchises, there is no better asset to have. Nothing even comes close. 

[TheRumGone]

14 minutes ago, stirs said:

Where do you get this stuff?  I don't know Cam personally, do you?  I had huge HUGE worries on drafting any QB with the first overall pick in the draft, especially one who had so little throwing experience.  But that was football, we talk that every year predraft.  You have no life dude.  I don't put any player on a pedestal, Cam, Keek, Smith, none.  I have watched football for 45 years, so don't start your petty, "I like Cam more than you do" stuff.  You probably, personally, like every football player more than I do.

The OP mentioned that Cam would someday probably be regarded as the best draft pick, but at this point in time, he'd go with Smith.  He has also watched football all his life and is an Auburn guy, and I agree with him, so grow up.  

I'm talking about his on the field behavior and the way he presents himself to the media. You don't like it.

Please stop with this pedestal crap. It's a deflection of the argument. What player have we ever drafted that shattered records held by HOF quarterbacks after five years? You wanna talk about value? How valuable is Cam because of his position and his impact on the entire team and locker room.

When smitty was in his prime we were losing or mediocre with a few good seasons. That has a lot to do with his position. That's his value. That's why Cam is the best draft pick we've ever had. But anytime there is a thread on Cam you seem to try and downplay his accomplishments by moving the conversation to something completely different. "Oh, he was the #1 overall pick so he should be good" you're being silly. And youre getting angry for some reason, chill out. 

 

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Well, yeah, I am certainly not a fan of some of the dancing stuff.  Said that before.  Just my opinion.  Don't think it helps us to rub it in someones face, especially on their field.  But that does not mean that Cam has not been a great QB, doesn't mean I am not a fan.

The whole thing comes down to the OP.  He said historically and even being an Auburn guy, did not put Cam down.  Most "historical" football fans sort of understand what he meant and picked former players, much to the chagrin of current football fans.  As far as now, we are loaded for bear.  Cam and Keek are leading the locker room and on the field and I am stoked about the coming seasons.  I think Gman has done a lot to put good support around our stars to make them even better.

[TheRumGone]

2 minutes ago, stirs said:

Well, yeah, I am certainly not a fan of some of the dancing stuff.  Said that before.  Just my opinion.  Don't think it helps us to rub it in someones face, especially on their field.  But that does not mean that Cam has not been a great QB, doesn't mean I am not a fan.

The whole thing comes down to the OP.  He said historically and even being an Auburn guy, did not put Cam down.  Most "historical" football fans sort of understand what he meant and picked former players, much to the chagrin of current football fans.  As far as now, we are loaded for bear.  Cam and Keek are leading the locker room and on the field and I am stoked about the coming seasons.  I think Gman has done a lot to put good support around our stars to make them even better.

That's fair. Still think Cam gets it right now since this org is still so young. Five years and has shattered records, league MVP and has put us in a position to win for the next decade. Qb is the most important position on the field and he's the best we've ever had. By a long shot.

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14 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

That's fair. Still think Cam gets it right now since this org is still so young. Five years and has shattered records, league MVP and has put us in a position to win for the next decade. Qb is the most important position on the field and he's the best we've ever had. By a long shot.

And that is why I did not leave him out by posting just Smith.  I said in 5 years or so, and I do believe he will move on to other lucrative endeavors, he will then dethrone Smith because, in my mind, he will then be historical

[Mr. Scot]

44 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

How is this even a discussion. 

 ThePanthers have a QB that was MVP of the entire league. 

 Forfranchises, there is no better asset to have. Nothing even comes close. 

Depends on criteria people use.

Some people are talking best player while others are looking at best value pick.

If you don't agree on the criteria, you're probably not going to agree on the answer.

[KillerKat]

15 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Thought of that.

To be fair, Gilbert was a decent player. Just not worth two first round picks.

Everette Brown, on the other hand, cost us a second and a first round pick and contributed a whole lot of nothing.

 

Gilbert statistically is still one of the top 4 DTs in Panthers history.

[Jeremy Igo]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Depends on criteria people use.

Some people are talking best player while others are looking at best value pick.

If you don't agree on the criteria, you're probably not going to agree on the answer.

Even taking into account the number 1 overall and a third round, it still is not even close. The importance of Cam's position and his MVP status is in another universe than anything the Panthers have ever had. Saying any WR is a better pick is just silly. Cam has already been responsible for more wins in his career than 89 was his entire career. 

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Even taking into account the number 1 overall and a third round, it still is not even close. The importance of Cam's position and his MVP status is in another universe than anything the Panthers have ever had. Saying any WR is a better pick is just silly. Cam has already been responsible for more wins in his career than 89 was his entire career. 

How flame resistant are your shorts?

(pitchfork resistance might come in handy too)

[tiger7_88]

17 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Even taking into account the number 1 overall and a third round, it still is not even close. The importance of Cam's position and his MVP status is in another universe than anything the Panthers have ever had. Saying any WR is a better pick is just silly. Cam has already been responsible for more wins in his career than 89 was his entire career. 

This is a great point.

I think my opinion was affected by the fact that, to me, Cam isn't doing a single thing I didn't expect from the start.  And maybe that kind of thinking penalizes him unfairly for the amazing things he does and his record-breaking output.